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four-niner delta Lt.Jg.
Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 134 Location: Burbank, CA
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:18 am Post subject: |
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My god that "speech" was pathetic! Where did the two tours come from? It goes on and on. And he was sloshed- slurring a lot of words. I can't imagine looking at that guy for 4 years. I'll be screaming at the tv constantly. The Dems look desperate!! _________________ Gary Armitstead
Burbank, CA
U.S. Army Vietnam 1966-67 Mekong Delta
Mobile Riverine Force
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bach04 Lieutenant
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 212
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:22 am Post subject: |
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What I witnessed tonight was one of lowest form of politic acts displayed by any person/group. I saw politicians acting pretty badly in my lifetime, but this was truly a disgraceful performance by Kerry. Not only did Kerry made a complete idiot out of himself tonight with that speech, the DNC just lost credibility with alot of people through its shameful protests in NYC and within the convention halls. No wonder that Zell was P*SSED OFF, because the democratic party is now influenced by lunatics like Soros and Moore. I hope that the rest of America will open their eyes to the garbage that we had witnessed tonight, and I hope that the swiftvets are relentless in the attacks against this traitor. I am sending in another check when I get home from work tomorrow. |
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KavMan Seaman Recruit
Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 31
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:23 am Post subject: |
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praying tomorrow's job report is good, don't want to give these clowns any leverage |
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Beatrice1000 Resource Specialist
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 1179 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:28 am Post subject: |
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LewWaters wrote: | He just can't stop wrapping his scant 4 months in Vietnam all around him, can he? |
There's almost something magical about this... he doesn't seem to be able to help himself! He's dug his heels in and he's standing by the myth he's created. Pathologically? he must so, so BELIEVE that he is a war hero... and no, they can't take that away from me!
And what was that other quote I heard from one of his spokespeople, or Edwards or someone lately, that he was going to "ride his swift boat" out into the fray, or something to that effect. GEEZ!! Just ASKING FOR IT!! This next month is going to be oh so busy for all of us..... |
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Kimmymac Master Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 816 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Neither Cheney nor Sen. Miller ever used the term "unfit" in their speeches.
Miller spoke almost entirely about what he felt was the betrayal of the country and her interests by the Dems, and Cheney, when he spoke of Mr. Kerry, discussed Mr. Kerry's record.
Period.
If Mr. Kerry has read into that the inference that he is "unfit for command" it must be because it is true, and Mr. Kerry knows it. Perhaps a psychologist might find that Mr. Kerry's strong and angry response to the speeches of his political rivals (surely he did not think he would be praised from the RNC podium?) reveals a certain deep-seated self-hate.
But clearly, anyone that would (in effect) write themselves up for combat awards and then denounce them in repeated acts of pure political pandering, is obviously a disturbed person.
The midnight basketball speech was amazing, and would be amusing, if the fate of the world's only remaining super power, and indeed--the world-- were not hanging in the balance. The fact that it clearly, clearly demonstrates that Mr. Kerry is a man that can not take any form of criticism, nor pressure, does not bode well for a man that seeks to lead that super power.
It smacks of desperation and smells of (flip)flop sweat. He is not a man with sound judgment or rationale. He is not a man I would want in my fox-hole, as my dear late father would have said.
He is not altogether balanced, and he is clearly desperate. I predict that as his poll numbers begin to slide he will become increasingly desperate and things will become increasingly bizarre. His devoted and maniacal base will also become increasingly hostile, and things may get real ugly.
Fasten your seat belts, people--it's showtime.
kimmymac
Best quote of the night: "Some folks detect a bit of a swagger. In Texas we call this...walking." (I am from Texas ) |
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Kimmymac Master Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 816 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Beatrice--...he will ride his swift boat into the fray...and promptly shoot himself in the @$$.
If he hits both butt cheeks, will he get two purple hearts?? With a silver star, V for valor, for the Midnight Campaign in the War of Inane Insanity? How soon will he have it posted on his web site?
Inquiring minds (don't) want to know...
--kimmymac |
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Beatrice1000 Resource Specialist
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 1179 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:45 am Post subject: |
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Kimmymac wrote: | ...Neither Cheney nor Sen. Miller ever used the term "unfit" in their speeches. |
I didn't think so, thanks!
From my notes taken while he was talking, here's what he said: "...The vice president called me unfit for office last night. Well, I’m going to leave it up to the voters to decide whether 5 deferments makes someone more qualified than two tours of duty. We’ll decide about that. Let me tell you what makes someone unfit for office & unfit to lead: ..blah...blah unfit...blah...unfit..., etc."
I think the Swiftees are giving him nightmares... |
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integritycounts Rear Admiral
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 667
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:54 am Post subject: |
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FredRum wrote: | OUCH! I really wish they wouldn't hit me with those unexpected close-ups of Andrea Mitchell.... | I Hate it when they do that.... |
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joeshero Commander
Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 321 Location: Midwest
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:17 am Post subject: |
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IMHO, these are at least two Kerry’s campaign strategies which I think is important to note:
1. Keep repeating that “How dare they (Bush and Cheney) question my patriotism?” Then he will repeat again the old song of “Bush’s stateside service” versus “Kerry’s volunteer to fight in Vietnam”. And I think the mainstream media will also sing that song. Well, there is no such thing. ALL that has been raised at RNC is about his pathetic judgment—through his voting records during the last 18 years—on national security. DNC, Kerry and the lame angry liberals know it, but they will twist the matter. Neutral pundits must put the matter back to its right place and directly attack Kerry’s repeating mantra—patriotism versus bad judgment.
2. Kerry might come forward and hold a press conference to explain his Vietnam story. But, he will only limit to an hour conference. He will deliver his story in about 30 minutes and then answer about 5 questions in the next 30 minutes, but then he will keep repeating the same story. I do believe that Kerry is a megalomania narcissist, but he thinks that an apology for his testimony in 1971 would significantly help him politically, he might do, but then he would say that “those are stories I heard and I just repeat them at the Senate floor.” Then he would say, “ I apologize to my fellow Vietnam vets and I want to close this wound, and let’s move forward to our current and future agenda—defending America.” _________________ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
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MarSecGd Seaman Recruit
Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 3 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:25 am Post subject: Kerry to speak tonight right after Bush |
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[growl]
Also interesting that Kerry and Edwards felt the need to campaign during the RNC and even hold their own "mini-convention" in Ohio immediately after Bush's speech, whining about how they were personally attacked, saying they wouldn't do that, and then proceeding with their own personal attacks on Cheney and Bush... _________________ USMC/USMCR 1960-66 |
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MarSecGd Seaman Recruit
Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 3 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:55 am Post subject: |
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[quote="bach04"] Not only did Kerry made a complete idiot out of himself tonight with that speech, the DNC just lost credibility with alot of people through its shameful protests in NYC and within the convention halls.
Amazing how those protesters even managed to get into the convention hall and disrupt Cheney and Bush twice. Fortunately, they were only loony lefties and not terrorists or assassins. _________________ USMC/USMCR 1960-66 |
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Lily Lieutenant
Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 244
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:31 am Post subject: |
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NRO has analysis on Kerry's midnight speech. A speech Morton Kondracke described as "incredibly petty".Here's NROs advice to John F. Kerry.
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Was this really Kerry's problem? Not enough "heat"? Not enough attacks on Bush? Not enough focus by Kerry on the Vietnam years?
Kerry has — if you'll pardon the expression — gotten stuck in a quagmire. He, and a good chunk of the Democratic party, honestly and totally believed that the best way to prove that he has the best policies to fight the War on Terror is to remind people he fought in Vietnam. To many ears, that sounds like a non sequitur. Military service can be a plus in a presidential candidate, but Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and Ronald Reagan had little or no military experience and they all did pretty well leading the U.S. during a war.
But Kerry has focused on his Vietnam years almost exclusively, and waved his thrown and apparently re-collected medals around like a magic talisman to ward off all criticisms.
Now the Swift Boat Vets appear, and do a number on Kerry's Vietnam record. It jabs Kerry on a key element of his self-image, and he's responding clumsily and angrily. But getting down and dirty himself with the Swifties and attacking Dick Cheney for taking too many deferments in the 1960s and 1970s will do nothing to help him win over undecided voters and independents.
Kerry has almost forgotten that he's running against an incumbent. Bush and Cheney are known quantities to the voters. There are some parts they like, and plenty parts they don't like. Kerry doesn't need to talk about that any more — he needs to talk about himself, and more than his four months in 1968 and 1969.
Kerry has 60 days to turn his campaign around. He's got to get off the Vietnam issue, and off deferments, and Cambodia, and Vietnam Veterans against the War, and comparisons of U.S. forces to Genghis (or "Jen-jis", as the young Kerry preferred to pronounce it) Khan. The only way to do that is to do the sit-down interview with Tim Russert, or Brit Hume. (Or, *ahem*, National Review.) Kerry has to show he can take their best shots, answer the questions as best he can, and build upon his earlier comment that his 1971 testimony reflected "an angry young man." He's got to reach out to veterans, acknowledge the pain his antiwar protests and activities caused, and say it's time for the nation to move on to the future.
After that, Kerry has to leave the attacks on Bush to MoveOn.org, the Media Fund, and all the other 527s. John Edwards can do some, too. Kerry has to stop his "I have a secret plan that I won't show you" stuff (not the first noun that comes to mind) and start putting out solid, fairly detailed plans on Iraq, al Qaeda, dealing with globalization, etc. The details don't have to be perfect, but they have to have a little daring or imagination to them. Kerry and the Democrats are convinced their man is smarter than the president; it's time for him to start sounding like it.
This election is still winnable for Kerry, but an extraordinarily solid GOP convention just made his task much harder |
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Herb Lieutenant
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 213 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:46 am Post subject: |
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During Kerry's little midnight soiree he LIED AGAIN.
Why can't he open his mouth without lying or contradicting
himself?
Kerry falsely claimed that Dick Cheney had called him
"Unfit for Office" on Wednesday night.
Do you think Kerry is reading Cheney's mind or had Kerry
been reading "Unfit for Command" and having bad dreams?
Cheney of course said no such thing -- Johny made up another lie. _________________ Herb |
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Herb Lieutenant
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 213 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Beatrice1000 wrote: | LewWaters wrote: | He just can't stop wrapping his scant 4 months in Vietnam all around him, can he? |
There's almost something magical about this... he doesn't seem to be able to help himself! He's dug his heels in and he's standing by the myth he's created. Pathologically? he must so, so BELIEVE that he is a war hero... and no, they can't take that away from me!
And what was that other quote I heard from one of his spokespeople, or Edwards or someone lately, that he was going to "ride his swift boat" out into the fray, or something to that effect. GEEZ!! Just ASKING FOR IT!! This next month is going to be oh so busy for all of us..... |
Kerry thinks that 5 weeks in a SHIP offshore Vietnam
in deep water and 4 months in country constitute "TWO TOURS."
Most of his sycophants are both too stupid and too fawning to correct him.
I guess if you are on a shipboard vacation then the weeks at
sea might be a "tour"? _________________ Herb |
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Ohio Voter PO2
Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 360
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:56 am Post subject: |
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He is desperate. It is going to really get dirty now. One can pray the voters can sort out the truth from the fiction story according to Kerry.
Polaris wrote: | *growl*
This is a violation of custom. It is customary for the opposing party to release a rebuttal statement just after the nomination speech, but it is not customary for a candidate to make an opposition-acceptance speech.
Why doesn't this suprise me....Gore didn't follow the unwritten rules of presidential politics either.... |
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