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[Debs]

Why can I not stop laughing - I think, just my uneducated opinion, Bush has just pulled the biggest sting ever as I think he knew the documents were fakes and gave CBS just enough rope to hang themselves. Never "misunderestimate" your opponent, especially when he is an expert poker player - seems this "dumb Texas cowboy" sure knows how to handle a rope.
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[Nomorelies]

Hoax???? This is not merely a little bitty hoax. It is FRAUD. Let's don't let CBS get away with playing the role of victim. They were a willing participant. Hoax my a**.
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[Tom Poole]

I agree this is no simple HOAX. The RNC should immediately file charges against CBS, Barnes and Rather for libel and elections fraud.
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[Hondo]

Would a summary of the documents' problems be helpful? Here's what I've come up with so far:

a. Superscript "th" in 4 May and 18 Aug ("CYA") memos - extremely
uncommon to technically impossible using 1972/73 office document technology.

b. Single quote vice apostrophe - same as above.

c. Font is proportional - same as above.

d. Font appears to be Times New Roman - not available in 1972/73.
(Possible it was earlier version of Times font, but need original docs
or better samples to ascertain with certainty.)

e. At least one document lines up exactly with retyped version
using MS Word default settings - highly improbable if done on typewriter.

f. Possible use of kerning as well as proportional font - not
consistent with 1972/73 office document technology.

g. Signatures on documents (4 May and 1 Aug "memos") do not appear to
match a known authentic sample of Killian's signature (from his 5 Sep 73
endorsement to Bush's request for discharge).

h. Poor typing (missing/extra spaces, inconsistent use of superscripts)
in both memos to Bush - not consistent with offical documents.

i. Signature block on purported 1 Aug MFR incomplete - not consistent
with official documents.

j. The common acronym NLT spelled out - in common military usage and
would not likely have been spelled out.

k. "Speckled" background of all documents appears questionable.

l. Use of "CYA" as subject for 18 Aug - difficult to believe a Squadron
CO would actually use this as subject vice something like "Bush OETR Conversations".

m. Gen Staudt (referenced in 18 Aug 1973 memo) appears to have retired in 1972. While not definitive - retired GOs do continue to wield influence with their former subordinates and peers - it does raise questions about the authenticity of this memo.

n. Standard Govt paper size of that era was 8.5 x 10 vice 8.5 x 11. Not definitive (TxANG may have used commercial sources for paper), but raises questions. An 8.5 x 10 original copied onto 8.5 x 11 paper via Xerox or scanning would likely leave visible lines corresponding to bottom and/or top edges of original.

What have I missed?


To me, it looks like CBS may just be about to get scrod - and I'm not talking about the fish they serve baked in Boston.

[ccr]

For a historical point of reference, read this article on The Hitler Diaries from the Museum of Hoaxes.

The comparisons to the Bush Tang Memos are amazing.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/day/04_25_2001.html

[Tom Poole]

[June]

This is sooooooo cool! I just joined SwiftVets.com today and it was because of this thread. I used to work for a newspaper (Dem, family owned, boss a liberal dem from the NYT -- peon job I edited the Letters to the Editor column). I lasted six months before I couldn't take it and quit. But when I interviewed for the job I told the Editor 'I like to be where the action is.' Well, there wasn't any action there.

But there sure is HERE!

WAY TO GO, YOU GUYS!

[Debs]

I think CBS is up to their eyeballs in this and conspired with someone to fake these documents - I do NOT think they are innocent victims in this as I believe they are willing participants, co-conspirators. I think Bush knew they were fakes, probably by the content, and let CBS run with it, knowing the documents would be exposed as fakes, and CBS would end up with egg on its face, totally discredited.

Debbie
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[Dimsdale]

If this pans out, it will be so beautiful in so many ways:

1) Rather and CBS are discredited for the forseeable future

2) Tom Harkin is made to look like an even bigger ass than usual, and his admonition to Bush ("this is about him, and he has to deal with it") can be directly applied to Kerry and the SBVT controversy.

3) The worn out Bush-ANG story will have been dealt it's death blow.

4) Kerry will be reeling, as his prime supporters, the media, will be shown to be bigger fakes than him, hard as that is, and the SBVT and VVAK etc will again be in the forefront of the news.

5) We get to see the likes of Andrea Mitchell, AP, the editorial staff of the NYTimes etc., etc., etc., wipe egg off their faces.

6) The SBVT and all of us here once again show the power of the little guy, and the power of the internet to overcome the liberal MSM. This went from zero to sixty in the space of a day, no thanks to the MSM!

7) We have another excuse to ask Kerry to sign the 180.

I am sure there is more, but I am smiling so hard, I look like I have lockjaw or something!! I haven't smiled so much since I came back from Hedonism II in Jamaica (a loooooong time ago)!!
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[Nomorelies]

The intellectual elite has once again misunderestimated the Texan.
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[Hondo]

Tom Poole:

Thanks - forgot that one while typing. Original post updated.

[grandforker]

I read "Unfit for Command," loved it and made my contribution to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. This is my first post on this board.

I called this issue to the attention of my brother, who retired as a lieutenant colonel from the Air Force after 22 years. He holds the Distinguished Flying Cross earned in combat during the first Persian Gulf War.

For what it's worth, this is what he said:

[ccr]

Hondo, the following is from the PowerLine blog via the Kerryspot blog....