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Stevie · Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 10:31 pm Post subject:

I watched the conference... most of it...I missed the first few minutes.... hopefully it'll be repeaated today and I can catch those minutes.... I wanted to get the names of those guys etc so I can send them a letter.

you noticed, they didn't have young men in uniform (could they do that if still in uniform?); they didn't seem that well educated or well spoken either. That's not normally a big deal to me.... except kerry spinheads keep bringing up that Bush misspeaks.... (so do I!);

someone needs to deal with those captains, commanders (whoever) these guys are saying told them the war was about OIL.... they just sounded brainwashed....

Lily · Lieutenant Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 244

I watched some of the press conference. The gist of the conference seemed to be that only veterans who support Kerry should speak. That there should be no criticism of Kerry and if there is criticism only Bush is to be criticized. Thankfully I switched to CSPAN 2 and watched John O'Neill and Buzz Patterson discussing their books.

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Stevie, can't supply the names of the 'military' speakers, but the suits were:

Col. Richard Klass (Ret.), Pres., Veterans Institute for Security & Democracy

Gen. Merrill McPeak (Ret.), Former Air Force Chief of Staff 1990-94

Bob Jones, Former Executive Director, AMVets

Heard either Klass or McPeak state that Kerry's picture is displayed in Vietnam because he and McCain went there in a discussion on Pow's/MIA's. Does anyone know if McCain's picture is also displayed? I don't see him in the one I've seen most often.
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LewWaters · Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 11:28 pm Post subject:

I watched maybe the first 3 minutes of it, couldn't stomach it. Right from the get go, it was same old talking points condemning any who don't support Kerry and calling the majority of us wrong for "trashing vets," while they go on trashing us. All smoke and mirrors, as far as I'm concerned.

ord33 · Rear Admiral Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 670 Location: Ohio

Becky · Seaman Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 179 Location: Georgia

I watched it (the rally) today...I cried many times today.
Apparently there were some kerry anti-war people there
also to stir up trouble. The speakers and the crowd seemed
to handle them ok...I'll admit that the thought ran through
my head more than once "cowardly lions" might keep it
up and get a lesson in manners from the real lions Cool

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Anyway, I was so proud of all of the people there and
the speakers. If Kerry (and the antiwar crowd) is not
stopped our young people in Iraq and Afghanistan will
come home to face the same thing. We can't let that
happen again. As to anything after the rally, I missed
that so I could watch John O on book
events which meant I had just enough time to take
care of hunger pains and get settled in for the book
lecture...which will be on again tonight 11 pm central.

Anyway, thanks for those that went letting us know what
channel to watch today...I would have missed it (not a big
tv watcher other than news)...it comes on again tonight
and I plan on watching it again as well as John O's book
lecture.

d19thdoc · Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:11 am Post subject:

Bystander wrote:

ord33 · Rear Admiral Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 670 Location: Ohio

Update to my previous information

Also, Richard Klass is the leader (one of 3 officers) of the "Veterans Institute For Security And Democracy" which is similar to a 527 group, but classified as a 501 C4 which is "tax deductible". This is intereresting because it is a "war veterans" group which enables it to be tax deductible. Mr. Klass during the press conference mentioned that some Unions had donated to the group, so here Unions and donations to this group are tax deductible, but those donating to 527's such as the SwiftVets are not tax deductible...What a crock! (I would assume the SwiftVets are designated a 527 instead of the 501 C4 so they have the ability to advertise on TV, while the Veterans Institute For Security and Democracy" do not have that ability, but that is just my deduction from what I can see. The website also states "Paid for by Veterans Institute for Security and Democracy and not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee." Haha. That is laughable, look at the connections in my post above, and somebody tell me that there are not blatantly obvious connections...

http://www.veteransinstitute.com/

MJB · LCDR Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 425

d19thdoc · Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:36 am Post subject:

I saw most of the Kerry campaign post-rally press conference.
1) They categorized it as a SwiftBoat vets event, and 2) dismissed it as a discredited attack on Kerry's service in Vietnam. Is this how they intend to counter the questions being raised about his anti-war activities? The rally had nothing to do with SwiftVets, except that O'Neill was one of numerous speakers. And it had little at all to do with is in-country service.

They also claimed the rally was part of the Bush campaign. If anything, the "Kerry Lied" people have even less to do with anything organized than SwiftVets do. So the whole thrust of the press conference, that is turning to questions about Bush and Iraq war policy, was totally irrelevant - that is, a non-response. Dissembling cowards in action.

So the whole press conference was either a sham, or it was put together by morons.

It caused me to ask if they had even seen the rally.

The appearance of the two Iraq Vets was disgusting and disturbing. If there is any similarity to Vietnam today, it is only in the manufactured characterizations of the war by the left and its running dog media hounds. These vets' point of view seems to be that wars should not involve any casualties, and that the purpsoe of any military action is to bring that action to an end as soon as possible and get the troops home. One wonders why, in such a world-view, any military action should ever be initiated; and one wonders why such young men are in the military at all.

As to Medina's sergeant telling him the war was for oil, who could possibly care what one NCO said to one platoon? This is the same crap that came out of Winter Soldier - I'm a war vet, so I must be well informed about the war and representative of the general veteran/soldier viewpoint. Really?

It is a DISCRACE that former senior military officers would stand there and allow lower echelon soldiers or vets resurrect the tactics of the anti-war left of the 60's and 70's - without any murmur of protest. This tells me that the danger Kerry poses to our nation is not limited to himself alone - he is surrounded by people as ignorant and deliberately dishonest as he is.

And all my life I mistakenly thought the purpose of any military action was to defeat the enemy!
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Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

d19thdoc, if I'm not mistaken, the pro-Kerry conference was taped before the KerryLied rally.
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d19thdoc · Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:43 am Post subject:

N_N_N -

I thought Kerry was opposed to preemtive attacks?

If what you say is true, this is further evidence of what little difference accuracy or facts make to the Kerry campaign! As if it does not matter what their opponent's position is.
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ord33 · Rear Admiral Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 670 Location: Ohio

Also, I just found that Mr. Wayne Smith is the President of the group, and he just so happens to be part of Kerry's Campaign. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3626796/

http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?showtopic=35438&st=30&p=365358&#entry365358 (Link to Smith as President of the group today)
Update: There are basically two groups with the same officers/board members, one in which donations are tax deductible, the other is not.
http://www.vetpac.org/bio.htm
http://www.veteransinstitute.com/program.htm

Geez...I've checked about 4 of their officers, and each have DIRECT links to the Kerry Campaign.

Col. Richard Klass (Officer VIFSD)- Spoke at DNC Press Conference about Bush's Guard service after asked by a friend Wayne Smith who is part of the Kerry Campaign.
Gen. Tony McPeak (Advisory Board) - Appears in Official Kerry Campaign Ads, speaker at DNC.
Bob Jones (Speaker Today) - Maryland State Veteran Coordinator For Kerry
Wayne Smith (Pres. VIFSD) - Member of Kerry Campaign (Couldnt find exact position)
I'm gonna go check so more.