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[USAFBratToo]

NPR today was in fine form. First, they played all the current campaign ads: The RNC's ad of Kerry windsurfing, which took little imagination the verbals were so good. Commentator said it was very effective. Then the Kerry doom and gloom response. Commentator lauded Kerry for his quick and decisive response to the Bush ad. Then the Swift Ad. (Kerry talking point Deleted by admin) Mentioned that Swifts have more than $6million to fund more ads between now and election. (Kerry talking point Deleted by admin)

The coverage of Allawi was very good, with large portions of his speech to Congress played and then a long interview. However the commentator mentioned that all Republicans but very few Democrats showed up to hear Allawi's speech! That's just appaling. If you are represented by a Democrat in the Senate or Congress find out if they were there, and if not give them a good swift kick.

[wally626]

Others have stated in the forum that Bush has signed an executive order releasing all his records. They still occasionally come across a stray record and release it. Which is why its seems they are dribbling out.

No need for a Form 180.

[LewWaters]

As President, Bush doen't need to sign the SF-180, Kerry does. Bush can authjorize release of all his records by simple Presidential Order, which he did. Last I heard, the White House was angry that still more records were found, as they were supposed to have been released at the same time as the others.

Now, Kerry's turn. What could he be trying to hide by not signing and releasing ALL of his records, untouched?
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Clark County Conservative

[USAFBratToo]

[FF1047]

Anyone can see that Bush doesn't need to sign a 180 ... his Presidential order actually caused the release of even more records than a 180 would have ...

don't stoop down to the "show me yours" argument of the Dems ...
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JJC
USNA class of 1980

[USAFBratToo]

[docford]

Bush does not have to sign a SF 180. Aside from the Executive Order, there is a federal court order requiring the Pentagon to immediately search all archives and find/release all service-connected documents regarding Bush. This is a broader order than what would be covered under a SF 180. Not only must any service record documents be released, also any secondary and ancillary documents. The White House supported that court order.
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Doc Ford
HMC (SW) USN

[USAFBratToo]

Ooops - hit "Submit" too fast.

Here are the contact urls for letters to NPR. The show was All Things Considered, 9/23/04, John McChesney. Looks like we have to be sure they correct the information about Bush not needing to sign the "personal privacy waiver" (if indeed he does not) and that he signed a Presidential order which does the same thing. We also need them to realize that at the time Kerry met with the VC the meetings were indeed secret.

Comments on NPR Coverage
ombudsman@npr.org

Corrections to NPR Stories
corrections@npr.org

To write directly to All Things Considered
atc@npr.org

[greasepaint]

I urge Bush to sign the 180, now.

[The Ghost]

[Paul R.]

I think I see USAFBratToo's point. Bush doesn't have to sign a 180, but, even if it has no effect, maybe he should just for appearance' sake?
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Paul R.

[greasepaint]

[quote="The Ghost"][quote="greasepaint"]I urge Bush to sign the 180, now.[/quote]

executive order out ranks signing the standard 180 form[/quote]
Some people won't/don't know that.
I urge President Bush to:
(for lack of a better term)
to take this 'talking point' aways from his opponents.

[jimlarsen]

I'm certainly no expert on this but here's whats been said by some on other threads:

Signing form 180, it has been said, would release Bush's presidential papers as well as his military record. The presidential papers of a president is never made public until the end of his/her terms. The supreme court has declaired that the presidential papers, except any that deal with defense issues, are the private property of the retired president, and these have sometimes been made available at a presidential library. In any event, if the form 180 would have that effect then it should be understandable why an executive order was issued instead.

The extra records recently discovered were not at the pentagon, but in Colorado, where the Air Force Reserve office is. Other pepers could be found at other places, military or otherwise.

The lies about Bush and the TANG keep going around and Kerry is doing nothing to set them straight. It's clear that Bush did not recieve special treatment in order to pass over 100,000 people on the NG wait list. The TANG has said that there was no wait list for F102 pilot trainees. So, he only got special treatment because he qualified to become a pilot. The missed physical is a non-issue that Kerry still likes to lie about. But, the F102 was being replaced with the equally obsolete F101, and Bush was not offered retraining on the F101 because he would have been leaving the guard soon after qualifying. Also, F102 pilots from Viet Nam had seniority over Bush, and those that wanted to remain in the Guard were given priority for F102 time. The press found that Bushe's last few flights were mostly in a trainer and they were about to jump on this as evidence that he wasn't a good pilot. Someone must have check it out, however, because we've heard nothing about it since. In fact, he was flying a trainer because he couldn't get time in an F102. He had no reason to have the physical because he had no plane to fly. All of Bushes years of service have now been accounted for, and it's clear that he actually did fulfill his obligation. He even went to guard meetings several times in his last two months so that when he asked for an early release he had already more than fulfilled the required 50 points. While Bush was never shot at in a war, he was part of our national air defense, and he put his life on the line every time he flew the death trap called the F102, a plane that couldn't recover from a flat spin.

And, keep in mind that while Bush volunteered for and completed a dangerous job in the Air National Guard, he has, like most military veterans, even those who saw action in a war, never made much of it. He did his duty; the Viet Nam veterans did their duty; the Gulf war veterans did their duty; the Iranian and Iraqi veterans have done and are still doing their duty, and I thank all these people who did what I couldn't do for myself. I thank all except one who shirked his duty, defiled his uniform, beseached the enemy, and besmirched his brothern, and now says that he's a hero. REAL HERO'S DON'T ACT THAT WAY!

[producehawk]

At the first debate, Bush should pull out a form 180 and sign it. Then give one to kerry, and dare him to sign it.

[USAFBratToo]