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sdonions
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| Had a long discussion last night with a co-worker that has never been registered to vote. He was pissin and moanin that the country was going to hell in a hand basket. Asked if he voted last election (already knowing he did not) and hammered him with the "dont vote and give up the right to b**ch about the Goverment." He registered last night at work. |
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fanningp
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margie
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| A woman I know is voting for the first time in her life...she's in her 60ies. TOTALLY apolitical. She is voting for KERRY...I asked her why. She didn't know what he (sometimes) stood for etc. But...her boy friend didn't like Bush! Makes me go hmmmmm... |
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BrianC
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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Just had the weirdest conversation with a co-worker |
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| SangRun Hunter wrote: | This is someone who has never voted and says he never will, so don't worry he's not voting for Kerry. He says I'm deluding myself if I think my vote counts.
I wonder how many people there are that think that way? |
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Well, given the lackluster voter turnout that our country has seen in the past 50 years or so, I'd say that there are more of your co-worker's type than there are that do regularly vote. |
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neverforget
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| CTW wrote: | I overheard some construction workers at a local pizza spot at lunch yesterday talking guns. One did ask they thought Bush was doing. They seemed to think it was ok. Couldn't really hear them. One did say "doesn't matter who you vote for they are going to pu in whoever they want. They went back to guns I guess. I went away troubled that people really buy into that idea. Who is the "they"? Who promotes such thinking.. or lack there of? In my opinion, the left taps into this feeling or belief system: there being some entity in charge, behind closed doors making the calls and that all politics and voting is a joke.
I hate seeing peopple fall prey to the disenfranchised rhetoric rather than saying NO! I am to be represented and will vote. The dem ads here in FL are telling folks their vote won't be counted, and that some were kept from voting last time, etc etc. I find that so damaging and devisive. Sad. CTW
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Here's what I think:
1. Widespread use of marijuana with its persistent and pervasive side-effects of paranoia and sapping of motivation provided the manure for "they" theories to grow in since the '60's;
2. Acceptance of Marxist theory in our university political science and philosophy departments in the '60's provided the impetus for "they" theories to be directed at our country's government, military, business, and cultural institutions.
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ArmyWife
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| neverforget wrote: |
Here's what I think:
1. Widespread use of marijuana with its persistent and pervasive side-effects of paranoia and sapping of motivation provided the manure for "they" theories to grow in since the '60's;
2. Acceptance of Marxist theory in our university political science and philosophy departments in the '60's provided the impetus for "they" theories to be directed at our country's government, military, business, and cultural institutions. |
There used to be extreme right-wingers that believed that the entire world's economies were controlled by some secret cartel that involved wealthy Jews. I remember seeing a couple of books once about this...along with the kind of stuff that the John Birch Society used to distribute.
Anyway, I think the "They" idea has been propagated from a couple of different points of view. It's like "The Man" that was holding Blacks down in the 60's.
I was stunned when my hubby told me this year that his folks don't vote. They are the kind of people that have given a lifetime of community service through church, Little League, Chamber of Commerce, Boy Scouts, and have raised a Navy guy, an Army guy, and a volunteer fireman. Evidently, they just find politics to be distasteful. It's hard for me to grasp... |
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beansoup
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ATACKM wrote:
| Quote: | | When it is over I hope that most agree with my philosophy and respect the President that America elects. |
You and I have different opinions on that statement...Don't get me wrong, I know what you mean...Going back to Clinton, he disrespected me, the White House, etc. first....That's when I disrespected him...after that I never could watch him on TV...The things he did, and the things he didn't do, turned me off...He still does...It's just something I have to live with it...When I started to hear about law allowing a third term, I almost went banana's...I respect almost everyone...That's the way I was brought up...But I drew the line on Clinton...
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ocsparky101
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Your vote doesn't count? Do you know that voter fraud here in Wisconsin is probably the worst of any state than anywhere in the country!!!!!
Wisconsin does not have michigan beat. We found out yesterday that is just 4 counties they have found thousands of fradulent registrations. They are accounting it to 2 left wing liberal groups. They did not mention though the Michigan DNC. Also, Cleveland have found many filed by the AFL-CIO. So I guess Wisconsin has competition coming from Ohio and Michigan for first place. |
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Otis
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| ArmyWife wrote: |
There used to be extreme right-wingers that believed that the entire world's economies were controlled by some secret cartel that involved wealthy Jews. I remember seeing a couple of books once about this...along with the kind of stuff that the John Birch Society used to distribute. |
Yes, but now most of that conspiracy stuff comes from the Left. There's a woman where I work who last spring when gas prices started to rise said that it was all Cheny's fault. He'd ordered the oil companies to raise prices so he could make more money. (She's a big Lefty from way back.) I knew better than to make a rational argument with her (goes nowhere) so just said "No. Things don't work that way." She and other coworkers then told me I was "naive and uninformed. But you're just a Conservative, anyway."
Typical, isn't it.
Voting in this next election, or I should say the voting and counting of votes in this next election really frightens me. After seeing what Al Gore and the Dems did in the last Presidential election I wonder what they have up their sleeves for this one. I swear, the Democrat party believes in democracy for democrats only. If they were truthful that would make a great bumper sticker for them: Democracy is only for Democrats.
For me politics has always been a simple matter of self-defense. I'm 48 and the Democrat party has in my adult lifetime always represented socialism. My parents were socialists and big democrats and from my earliest memories I've always known what that was about and how much I disagreed with it. I always believed in individulism, standing on your own two feet and taking responsibility for your actions and your life. I don't know exactly were I picked up on the idea of the American Dream but I did at a very young age and knew my parents and the Democrat party didn't have anything to do with it. My parents grew up in the Red Decade, the 30's, and both thought FDR was practically the Second Coming. To his dying day my father thought Carter was the best president of his lifetime. Actually thought that idiot kept us out of a second great depression. My mother thought the Sandinistas in Nicaragua were "doing very good work", and still practically spits when she says the name Ronald Reagan. That's the family I came from.
For me the Republican party has always been the party that simply believes in holding office for the purpose of governing a free country. It's really as simple as that. The Dems want to hold office for a completely different reason, they want to slam what they believe down the rest of our throats.
Like I said, for me politics is a simple matter of self-defense. I don't want people to use the force of the government to slam what they believe down my throat. I want to vote for people who want to hold office for the purpose of governing a free country. I know the Republicans aren't consistant in that, but hey, compare their Party Platform with the Democrat Platform sometime. The Republicans platform is at least a good reflection of the American dream, the Dems comes right out of Marxism.
Went way off topic here, sorry, I usually like to be brief.
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margie
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| Did you hear about the bru ha ha in CA about needing ID to vote? The Dems says the Rep are racist because they think ID should be required... Seems like you need an ID for a lot less important things than voting. There are LOTS of illegals in CA. |
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azpatriot
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Same here in Arizona as a matter of fact just check this out......
Sting at MVD nabs 26
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ArmyWife
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| Otis wrote: |
For me politics has always been a simple matter of self-defense. I'm 48 and the Democrat party has in my adult lifetime always represented socialism. My parents were socialists and big democrats and from my earliest memories I've always known what that was about and how much I disagreed with it. |
There's a book that you might enjoy almost as much as "Unfit For Command".
How I Accidentally Joined the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy (and Found Inner Peace) by Harry Stein
His parents weren't just Socialists, but outright Commies, and he describes his slow conversion to conservatism. There's some good stuff for co-worker arguments in the book. |
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YOUR VOTE COUNTS
Don't ever think your vote doesn't count,
because in ...
1845 - ONE vote brought Texas into the Union
1868 - ONE vote saved President Andrew Johnson from impeachment
1876 - ONE vote gave Rutherford Hayes the presidency of the United
States
1939 - ONE vote passed the selective service act
1960 - ONE vote per precinct elected John F. Kennedy President
1978 - in Fullerton, California, a Democratic candidate for the State of
California’s legislature lost by TEN votes in a primary election where
32,000 votes were cast
... AND IN ALASKA ...
1978 - Jay Hammond won the nomination for Governor over Walter
Hickel in the Primary Election by just 98 votes statewide. That’s less
than 1/4 vote per precinct!
1978 - ONE vote elected Tim Kelly to his Senate seat in District F
1982 - TWO votes gave the nomination for State Senate in District J
to David McCracken in the Primary Election
1984 - ONE vote gave Mary Ratcliff the nomination for State
Representative of House District 12 in the Primary Election
1986 - 17 votes (less than one vote per precinct) elected Rick Uehling
Senator from District H, Seat B, out of 14,389 votes cast
1992 - 5 votes gave Al Vezey the nomination for State Representative of
House District 32 in the Primary Election (less than one vote per precinct)
1994 - 1.1 votes per precinct elected Tony Knowles as Governor and Fran
Ulmer as Lt.Governor out of 216,668 votes cast in the General Election
1996 - ONE vote gave Ann Spohnholz the nomination for State
Representative of House District 21 in the Primary Election
1998 - A TIE was broken by a flip of the coin to elect Wayne Morgan after
a runoff election for a school board seat in the Kuspuk School District
1999 - A TIE was broken by a flip of the coin to elect Larry Wilson to a
school board seat in the Bering Strait School District
Alaska Division of Elections
http://www.gov.state.ak.us/ltgov/elections/votecnts.htm
In truth, the only vote that doesn't count is the one that isn't cast.-
Lt. Col. Robert DeStasio
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silenthunter
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scotty61--right on!
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| neverforget wrote: |
Here's what I think:
1. Widespread use of marijuana with its persistent and pervasive side-effects of paranoia and sapping of motivation provided the manure for "they" theories to grow in since the '60's;
2. Acceptance of Marxist theory in our university political science and philosophy departments in the '60's provided the impetus for "they" theories to be directed at our country's government, military, business, and cultural institutions. |
I imagine you would get quite a debate about those statements in some quarters, but i think you nailed it very concisely.
Even for those that never tried the drug, their peer groups were not up to speed as fully funtional. So, "group think" was weighted. in the directions you outlined, and affected even those not involved.
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