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If Kerry recieved a dishonorable discharge as it appears tp be the case from Nixons era Dept. of Navy it easy to unserstand that during the SEARED<SEARED in my mind speech to the senate he blamed the Nixon
Adm. for causing him to violate the law by being in Cambodia.
Resentment, Payback ?

[KWJams]

Permission to come on Board

With Kerry refusing to sign the form 180 these records had to be obtained through the Freedom of Information Act.

What do they indicate?
In a nut shell Kerry was either AWOL a Deserter or branded a Traitor and was involuntarily separated from the service.

He was kicked out -- will the Kerry supporters understand that?

He should have run on his anti-war record instead of his war record.

[MissouriVeteransDaughter]

Rabbit, I believe you are wrong this time, this story is potentially the most damaging story of all that has come out during the last year! As a non Military person it is hard to understand all the minute details and significance of every fact regarding this, but it will not be hard for any lay person to understand that a discharge that was "less than honorable" was changed (thanks to the Carter administration) to "honorable". And it is not hard to understand that Senator Kerry has been covering this up for all these years! I think the Swift Boat Veterans have GOTCHA, Senator Kerry!!!!!!
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[jataylor11]

[sdkhaki]

Not trying to be pessimistic but I don't see this going anywhere. The lamestream press has maintained complete silence on the fact that an admitted war criminal is running for president. If they refuse to cover Lurch's Senate testimony in the 70s and his clandestine trips to Paris to meet with the enemy, they aren't likely to show any interest on the nature of his Naval discharge.

Kerry can't be forced to sign his 180 without pressure from the lamestream press. With less than three weeks to go, even if he signed it today, the records that could confirm our suspicions might not be found and released in time to make a difference. Kerry knows he only has to play out the clock.

Navy Chief has done some great work here, but if this is it...without a real smoking gun, then it's going nowhere.

If the allegations in the story are true then there are probably a lot of people from past administrations who know what happened. Maybe somebody will come forward.

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[jataylor11]

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OMG!!!!!!!

I screamed when I saw this!!!! Scared the hell out of my 2 year old! He ran up to me saying, "Momma hurt??? Owwies??" I told him we were going to Disneyland! (Thank God he doesn't know what that is yet, the park is close enough) This is DEFFINITELY a reason to celebrate! Now it's up to all of us to get it out there and MAKE people take notice! I know many of you on here have already sent this on, we just have to keep it going!!

Thank you Chief!!!!! You're AWESOME!!!

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Georgi

[Rdtf]

Hey Chief - sorry about this - can you or someone provide a simple timeline? So much info - now I am just trying to get the events straight in my head.
I need some clarity...
Allegedly, of course...
Did he leave Vietnam with the 3 faked purple hearts or could he have left Vietnam because he was forced as some have said?... and then faked total of 3 purple hearts after the fact to show just cause to have left... then went AWOL (and off to France to commit treason?) and got a less than honorable discharge for all that, and then ran for office and managed to get everything changed favorably for the record years later?

People I talk to ask me this stuff and I am never completely clear..

[concernedgranny]

IMO, I think it is great. You see RogerRabbit, I'm not a vet, heck I'm just a grandma and mother but I understood it. And I have passed it around and all I get is "it figures". You see, nobody thinks this guy is the heroe he proclaimed to be anyhow. That was a figment in the DNC's imagination. Oh polls, yea right. They are also from the spin doctor. But anybody that is a functional thinking human being, trust me,knows what Kerry is and isn't. This is big!!!! It won't change the nutso's who supported him in the first place, but it WILL change the minds of those who truly thought he might have brought some dignity to the table. They may not have liked Bush for certain reasons, but claiming to be a hero and then falling short wasn't one of them. They will eat Kerry and The Demoncratic Party alive.!!!!! Way to go Chief! You did your country service! Again!!!!

[Nomorelies]

Navy Chief:

Now can we get the NY Sun to file for the records under the Freedom of Information Act? Geez, even the National Enquirer ought to go after this!
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[Wynne]

Somebody read this post from Joel Ard on Polipundit and tell me he's wrong. I want this story to go forward so much!


http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=4501

Wednesday, October 13th, 2004
Kerry’s Discharge

Reader Joel Ard casts doubt on the story about Kerry’s possible not-so-honorable discharge.
Here are Joel’s credentials:
I spent six years in the USMC Reserves, the last three, during my tenure at University of Chicago Law School, doing discharge paperwork. Long and short of it, I know a LOT about military discharges - more than I know about everything else the Marine Corps does. Sad, I know.
And here’s what he has to say about Kerry’s discharge:
[NY Sun reporter] Mr. Lipscomb notes, without Kerry’s full records, the information we do have indicates he was not honorably discharged in 1972.
The problem with this theory is that he couldn’t have gotten the discharge recharacterized until the Carter presidency, February 1978 according to the article, and he was already a county prosecutor by then. I doubt he could have been admitted to the Massachusetts bar with a discharge carrying any of the three lower characterizations. I am pretty confident that the character and fitness review for the Massachusetts bar would have looked into the characterization of discharge Kerry got, and I’m pretty sure they would have been very concerned about anything other than an Honorable or Honorable Conditions discharge.
There are five possible characterizations of discharge:
1. Honorable. The person performed all required service and has no black marks in his records. Bush got this.
2. General - Honorable Conditions. This is usually granted for a person who did not complete his service but not for a bad reason, e.g., medical problems prevented completion of required service. We’d give this for chronic obesity. Kerry did serve all his time, so this wouldn’t be it.
3. Other Than Honorable Conditions. We used OTH in the Reserves for Marines who quit coming in or popped positive for illegal drug use on urinalysis. Although you COULD get them at a worse level, the OTH did not require a court martial and could be done entirely on paper - a huge advantage for the Reserves who just want the bad egg off the roster and don’t have the time to do the court martial. It’s a black mark, though - for example, you’d have a hell of a time becoming a cop or getting admitted to a state bar. Or even getting hired by the Postal Service. (At least, this was the line we gave kids to scare them into coming to drill again.)
4. Bad Conduct. The BCD required significantly more procedural mess, including officer review, hearings, etc. I can’t recall if it required a court martial (they, too, come in various flavors and levels; kind of like quarks). If you have a BCD, I am pretty certain you’d have grave difficulties getting admitted to the practice of law. At least today. Maybe the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts in the 70’s preferred folks with BCDs but I doubt it.
5. Dishonorable. This is tantamount to a felony conviction. I very much doubt that Kerry could have been admitted to the bar or been hired by a county prosecutor with a Dishonorable discharge. In fact, it’s hard to believe that Kerry had one hanging over his head from ‘72 to ‘77 and even got in to law school. I was not admitted until 2000, but when I applied, they made some cursory check to insure I would eventually be able to pass the character and fitness examination for the bar. I assume they did the same thing in the ’70s.
The bottom line, according to Joel, is that, if Kerry had gotten a less-than-honorable discharge, he would have paid for it in the ’70s.
But then why won’t Kerry sign form 180 and release all his military records? His refusal to do so is only going to fan these flames.
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[coatandthai]

If Kerry knows he has this in his record, albeit hjidden, he would be careful to avoid saying "I was honorably discharged" or "I received an honorable discharge" just in case the truth ever came out.

Instead, he would say things like "I served honorably" or something that would imply an honorable discharge but would never come back to haunt him as a lie if the truth were uncovered.

Need to see what he's said on the topic.

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