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ElizabethinSD
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Anyone here homeschool their kids? I've started homeschooling the last of my three kids because I was getting too doggone tired of fighting and I'm not well. I have fought for years, from Goals 2000 to the teaching of Islam. For once I am in control of what my daughter learns, our schedule is our own, and I no longer fight liberal nonsense.
Marine4life, I wish you and your son much success in this! Let us know what happened at school, and if Hannity called you back.
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jataylor11
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Thank you for reminding me of my father.
I now realize the two best pieces of advice my father ever gave me:
(1) Question everything your teachers say, and
(2) Don't believe everything you see on TV -- even the news.
Needless to say Daddy had more insight than I realized. |
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Knighthawk
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| jataylor11 wrote: | Thank you for reminding me of my father.
I now realize the two best pieces of advice my father ever gave me:
(1) Question everything your teachers say, and
(2) Don't believe everything you see on TV -- even the news.
Needless to say Daddy had more insight than I realized. |
Your Daddy is a smart man.
I like to tell people that it amazes me that "the older I got, the smarter my dad got."
Thanks Dad........I love ya'
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Mooncusser
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Our schools have become propaganda arms of the socialist and communists. They are taught liberal philosophies, (Deleted by Admin) , how to use condoms, benefits of oral and anal sex, etc.
Is it any wonder they can't read, write, speak proper English or do a simple math project?
My friend's daughter graduated last year from a Phoenix school. She does not know how to write a complete sentence.
Politics does not belong in school !!
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swing votr
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| jataylor11 wrote: | (1) Question everything your teachers say, and
(2) Don't believe everything you see on TV -- even the news. |
(3) Don't beleive everything you read on the INTERNET!!! Very Important... Especially with little Moore's, Coulter's, and CBS's bloggers running around...
As for approaching the teachers, I beg you not to come down to harsh. As the bf of a teacher, there is nothing I enjoy more than hearing stories about how one parent or another doesn't like the way she is teaching. NOTHING, and I will repeat, NOTHING will get you dismissed faster for being an overzealous parent overly concerned with only their kid than coming into school yelling Propaganda. People think dealing with children is the hardest part, but I get more moaning about their parents than anything else. While we enjoy debating and chatting about politics over the internet, and probably in our daily life, I am sure the last thing this teacher is looking for is an arguement over politics with the parent of a student.
IMO, I would simply write a note saying these are the faults with the paper you handed out, politely offer suggestions, or simply ask them to talk about something else.
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concernedgranny
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| I had a professor a couple of years ago that taught "National Issues" and taught us that there was no such thing as "race" and "gender" anymore. I actually got a "C-" on my last term paper with a note written on it "I would like to go out and have a cup of coffee with you and maybe then I could enlighten your views" I still have that paper and I showed it to each of my kids as they entered college. I had never had a "C" before and it p****d me off. We shouldn't have prejudices and pregnant "girl" teens anymore then huh? |
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Marine4life
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The last thing they expect is an argument over politics with a parent, then leave their propaganda at home!! Usless teachers have gone unchecked for far to long and the checking is about to start. This is not teaching it is brainwashing, if your significant other is a teacher and spreads this kind of cr*p in their class I would certainly hope a parent would make life miserable for them. You call me overzealious for checking this idiot, what do you call the teacher who promotes this cr*p. I know, professional and protected by the first amendment. Mark my words this teacher has barked up the wrong tree this time and the dogcatcher is about to impose discipline. I don't need a warm reception from the school or acceptance. I am not going there to make friends. I could give rats *ss if I ruffle a few feathers as a matter of fact that is my whole intent. It is time to stiffle the moonbats and I intend to do my part, Semper Fi.
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Navymomx2
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Marine4life,
Good Luck on this!! You have full support from this end! Wow, I know I would have blown a gasket if my kids had brought something like that home from school.
I have had my fair share of dealing with some teacher's, counselors and Principals to where I have had to go higher up. I usually get my way when I threaten to go to the press.
I'm waiting to see if there is any fall out from my 16 yrs old taking Unfit to school for reading. Watch out if there is, so far so good.
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swing votr
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| Marine4life wrote: | | The last thing they expect is an argument over politics with a parent, then leave their propaganda at home!! Usless teachers have gone unchecked for far to long and the checking is about to start. This is not teaching it is brainwashing, if your significant other is a teacher and spreads this kind of cr*p in their class I would certainly hope a parent would make life miserable for them. You call me overzealious for checking this idiot, what do you call the teacher who promotes this cr*p. I know, professional and protected by the first amendment. Mark my words this teacher has barked up the wrong tree this time and the dogcatcher is about to impose discipline. I don't need a warm reception from the school or acceptance. I am not going there to make friends. I could give rats *ss if I ruffle a few feathers as a matter of fact that is my whole intent. It is time to stiffle the moonbats and I intend to do my part, Semper Fi. |
I call this teacher Mistaken. that's all. You might think people like my gf (she teaches 2nd-3rd graders(at a charter school that I am none too favorable about), and to my knowledge has yet to mention the word politics) have an easy 9-3 job with summers off, and in their spare time they get to mess with kids minds and mold them after their own beleifs, but I assure it is much harder than that. Aside from looking for signs of physical abuse, being forced to teach curiculums that the state hands down, and then haveing to deal with parents, teaching is not as fun and easy as it seems.
Simply put, their are effective ways of changing things and inneffective ways. Pointing out the innaccuracies, making your voice heard, and offering substitute methods in explaining things could be an effective way to handle this. On the flip side. Calling her biased, liberal, etc., and refering to her class as propaganda, and trying to get Hannity involved won't have the same effect. But thats just my opinion. (But if you have met this teacher, she/he is a pr*k, then give them hell... I was just trying to offer advice)
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Tom Poole
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:56 pm Post subject: ...project from school |
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| Marine4life wrote: | | ...This is not teaching it is brainwashing... |
OK. I'll take a stab at this. First, all Universities have difficult curricula and easy ones. Typically, teaching curricula contain the easiest course work. This is not to say that all teachers are uneducated or somehow less intelligent than others. However, many fall easy prey to propaganda and one should suspect their intellect until they prove it.
Secondly, they learned from many now described as old hippies who participated in the street protests of the '70's, and who still espouse the "peace-nik" propaganda of that era. Again, this is not to say that all teachers are propagandists or hippies.
Thirdly, their union, perhaps the most powerful in America, continues to support the left, seemingly unaware of the recent swing to the extreme left. This is not to say that all teachers blindly follow the union.
Finally, many of the American effete, educated in the best universities, have migrated in large numbers to journalism, law and education. They carry with them ideals of a peaceful world as described in those great universities. Noble indeed, but very distant from the violence and other realities faced by the rest of us who make livings in the military, the blue collar service industry or the business world.
Teacher bias is influenced by countless other factors just as media bias is. But these are, IMHO, the basics. Proof of how radical our schools have become may be seen in their dress codes. Most schools forbid headwear of any kind along with visible religious symbols. Most also make an exception for hijabs and some simultaneously exclude yarmulkes. Argument on these points is futile, especially at the teacher level. To win, practical people must run for office, serve on rules committees, etc.
Your attempts to engage most teachers in political debate probably will be frustrating and unsuccessful. Your child probably will face academic reprisal, even if indiscernible or just very subtle. You probably will be treated with arrogant scorn due to the widely accepted concept of academic freedom and most teachers' opinions that they are smarter than parents. As a Marine, you already know the necessity for an alternative plan for your child's education.
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SangRun Hunter
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You go Marine4life!
My wife is a conservative teacher who has come to the conclusion that she no longer wants to be a teacher the way things are going.
She's only taught about 5 years!
People have to stand up and say what is wrong over an over or the educators will never get it. Most teachers are blinded to outside issues and they don't see other sides.
My wife used to receive NEA propaganda almost every other day home. This crap tells here how to vote and why it's important on issues that really have nothing to do with education.
This stuff makes my blood boil! I would love for my wife to home school our kids, but she says she cannot because it would be too hard on all of us.
My kids aren't in school yet, but I can see myself going to the school to discuss these kinds of issues.
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Funny after reading this post that this artical came out this morning
More than 25 percent of public school teachers in Washington and Baltimore send their children to private schools, a new study reports.
Public schools no place for teachers' kids
| Quote: | Nationwide, public school teachers are almost twice as likely as other parents to choose private schools for their own children, the study by the Thomas B. Fordham Institute found. More than 1 in 5 public school teachers said their children attend private schools.
In Washington (28 percent), Baltimore (35 percent) and 16 other major cities, the figure is more than 1 in 4. In some cities, nearly half of the children of public school teachers have abandoned public schools.
In Philadelphia, 44 percent of the teachers put their children in private schools; in Cincinnati, 41 percent; Chicago, 39 percent; Rochester, N.Y., 38 percent. The same trends showed up in the San Francisco-Oakland area, where 34 percent of public school teachers chose private schools for their children; 33 percent in New York City and New Jersey suburbs; and 29 percent in Milwaukee and New Orleans. |
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SangRun Hunter
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:38 pm Post subject: Need more convicing there are problems with education? |
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Michelle Malkin's new column
Anti-homeschooling bigots strike again
Michelle Malkin (archive)
September 22, 2004 | Print | Send
The public school establishment hates homeschoolers. They've smeared the movement as a conspiracy of conservative Christian zealots. They've scoffed at homeschooled kids as social pariahs. They've painted homeschooling parents as uneducated and negligent.
And now, under the guise of preparing students for a violent terrorist attack, educators in one public school district are casting homeschoolers in the role of bomb-detonating militants.
The story about a mock terrorism drill involving a local school district in the Muskegon Chronicle starts out innocently enough:
"Local school district transportation directors instigated the exercise because they wanted to test their abilities to respond to emergencies, said Tom Spoelman, transportation consultant for the Muskegon Area Intermediate School District. They eventually hooked up with Muskegon County Emergency Services, and planning for the event has been under way for about a year, Spoelman said.
"The exercise will test not only school transportation directors, but also the Muskegon County Emergency Operations Plan, which involves many agencies throughout the county.
"About 60 middle and high school students from Reeths-Puffer and Whitehall public schools will be part of the exercise, according to Kristin Tank, public information coordinator for the MAISD. Local law enforcement agencies, fire departments, human service agencies, transportation services and medical services will participate.
"Students from Muskegon Community College and Reeths-Puffer will assist in applying makeup to add to the reality of the gruesome scene. Between 200 and 300 people will observe the exercise, including school bus drivers, school administrators, emergency personnel and evaluators from agencies across the state who will provide feedback."
What's jaw-droppingly unbelievable is the next paragraph describing the attackers in the simulation:
"The exercise will simulate an attack by a fictitious radical group called Wackos Against Schools and Education who believe everyone should be homeschooled. Under the scenario, a bomb is placed on the bus and is detonated while the bus is traveling on Durham, causing the bus to land on its side and fill with smoke."
This is not a joke. A taxpayer-funded drill is using public school students to enforce anti-homeschooling bigotry under the guise of preparing for terrorism. Terrorism by whom? By Islamic jihadists who hijack planes and incinerate kids headed to Disneyworld. Islamic terrorists who take hundreds of children hostage in Beslan, force them to drink their own urine and shoot babies in the back. Islamic terrorists who groom toddlers as suicide bombers.
Our enemies are Islamic extremist murderers. Except if you happen to attend the Muskegon County, Mich., schools, where the menacing faces of terrorism belong to parents who make untold sacrifices to give their children the best education they know how by schooling them in the loving environment of their own homes.
I recall the Islamist-sympathizing admonition included in the National Education Association's touchy-feely, post-Sept. 11 curriculum: "Do not suggest that any group is responsible" for the terrorist attacks, one tip for parents and teachers urged. Unless, it should be amended, you can work an anti-homeschooling hate angle into the lesson.
When President Bush's education secretary, Rod Paige, likened the NEA in jest to a "terrorist organization," teachers' union officials and the media became completely unhinged. How dare he make such an odious comparison, they gasped. How dare he make light of the real terrorists, they fumed.
"I can tell you what my first response was: Scary. That's really frightening," said Diana Garchow, a special-education teacher at Highland Elementary School in Bakersfield, Calif., to the Associated Press after Paige's remarks. "It's scary that you can't voice an opinion in this country without being called a terrorist. . . . I don't care if it was a joke or what it was, that was a totally inappropriate comment."
Paige was forced to apologize to teachers. What about the Muskegon County, Mich., school system? Will its public education militants apologize to homeschoolers for taking an intolerant swipe at their beliefs? Or will this politicized "Wackos Against Schools and Education" terror drill be coming to a classroom near you?
Michelle Malkin is a syndicated columnist and maintains her weblog at michellemalkin.com
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http://michellemalkin.com/archives/000563.htm
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air_vet
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| LewWaters wrote: | | Make a formal complaint to your local Board of Education. Liberals and socialists have been teaching and indoctrinating our youth for way too long and they must be held accountable. |
As a 19 year school board member, I suggest you go DIRECTLY to your local school board at one of their meetings because they are the only elected folks in the chain.
You should have your complaint(s) well documented in writing with copies for all board members and superintendent - include the teachers name in THESE documents.
If you make an oral presentation to the board DO NOT MENTION THE TEACHERS NAME! The discussion of particular persons by name normaly can not be done in open session.
Be prepared to set up an appointment for a one-on-one discussion with the superintendent.
Good luck.
You might also want to consider running for your local school board. |
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fortdixlover
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| air_vet wrote: | | LewWaters wrote: | | Make a formal complaint to your local Board of Education. Liberals and socialists have been teaching and indoctrinating our youth for way too long and they must be held accountable. |
As a 19 year school board member, I suggest you go DIRECTLY to your local school board at one of their meetings because they are the only elected folks in the chain.
You should have your complaint(s) well documented in writing with copies for all board members and superintendent - include the teachers name in THESE documents.
If you make an oral presentation to the board DO NOT MENTION THE TEACHERS NAME! The discussion of particular persons by name normaly can not be done in open session.
Be prepared to set up an appointment for a one-on-one discussion with the superintendent.
Good luck.
You might also want to consider running for your local school board. |
I suggest forwarding your story to FrontPage magazine ( http://www.frontpagemag.com/ ).
David Horowitz has published stories about elementary/high school leftist bias.
Also write to: http://www.psaf.org/ (parents & students for academic freedom (K-12) - email Sara@studentsforacademicfreedom.org
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