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Son Of The Godfather · Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:57 pm Post subject:

They could confiscate all my ammo...

...post-chamber.

SOTG
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azpatriot · Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:03 pm Post subject:

sdonions · PO3 Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Posts: 294

I agree with everything said here. I will add that there are way too many people in this nation have listened to ultra-liberals and think that if they get control then the eutopian state will accur.

The problem comes in that there is also too many people that believe that the ultamate responsibility of personal and family protect is the individuals. I fall in the latter category. I own a Ruger GP100 loaded with douple +P Manstopper rounds for carrying out in the field while hunting but my house protector is Browning BPS 12 Gauge shotgun loaded with 2 3/4 #6 shot. Much less chance of the shot going through walls and hurting something other than the intended target.

Gun Control. Hitting your target the First shot.

bsjracing · Seaman Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 199

When Soros outlaws guns...

Only the outlaws will have guns..

Proud to be an Outlaw!
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bk_mo · Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:01 am Post subject: guns

No one is takin our guns!!!!! Have to kill us first.
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Endaar · Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:20 am Post subject:

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong...

I can't see how a UN ban on guns could be enforced in the US without ammending the Constitution and repealing the 2nd ammendment. Now, there's two major issues with that:

* On a pratical level, there doesn't seem to be ANY chance that 3/4 of the states would ratify such an ammendment. Consider that there are more 'conservative' states than 'liberal' ones, and it seems that sort of a super-majority would be impossible to achieve.

* Beyond that, has anything in the Bill of Rights ever been substancially modified? Or even modified at all? I know Americans on average aren't big on history (sad, though that is) but since many states wouldn't ratify the Constitution itself without the guarantee of the Bill of Rights, what repercussions would the possible elimination of one of our fundamental rights have? An outright ban on guns would be far more similiar to eliminating the freedom of speech than it would to past attempts to control the proliferation of guns.

All in all, I'm not too worried about an outright ban happening, even if Kerry somehow manages to pull the wool over enough peoples' eyes to get himself elected. But that said, I would seriously consider buying a gun (don't own one now) if he does win.

Endaar

Scott · Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:29 am Post subject:

Endaar,

The issue is whether the U.S. Senate would ratify an international U.N. treaty restricting or banning private ownership of guns in the U.S. and other countries.

If it did, someone would then have to challenge the restrictions as unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court would, in all likelihood, rule on it.

Of course, if the Court refused to hear the case (a favored tactic of late), the law would stand, and the 2nd Amendment would be effectively abandoned.

The U.N. is expected to have such a treaty ready within the next two years or so. If John Kerry is appointing the new Supreme Court justices as needed, how confident would you be? After all, we just lost a major portion of the 1st Amendment's protection with McCain-Feingold.
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cipher · Vice Admiral Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 902

The UN and whose army is going to attempt to enforce this?

Banning guns is as silly a concept as banning drugs or prostitution. All you need is the raw materials and someplace to work....

It's very difficult for me to take the UN seriously, as it is basically a bunch of thugs living off of the allowances paid by the US and other "rich" countries.

Besides, the whole concept of pacifists attempting to disarm an unwilling and determined opponent smacks of mice voting to bell the cat.
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Endaar · Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:47 am Post subject:

Scott, thanks for your comments.

I have no doubt POTUS Kerry (shudder) would ratify a UN ban. But would 2/3rds of the Senate do the same? As you said, that is the question. My uneducated guess is that there are enough Senators from states which strongly support gun rights to prevent reaching that 2/3rds figure.

Given that there could be no more appropriate Constitutional issue than that of a treaty superceding the Constitution (which as I read it, is explicitly forbidden under all circumstances), if the Supreme Court chose not to hear such a case, it would in effect invalidate a whole lot of our political system. And where that would lead is rather frightening.

Endaar

armybrat · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 77

GREAT!!!!!!!! It's so obvious, so easy once you look at it. Maybe they can show us how well it works in say, Palestine? Or maybe Sudan? Or maybe Somalia?

Of course after it's all over, we can have crime rates like Great Britain or Australia. You know, the ones that have seen double digit increases in their violent crime rates since they took there enlightened approach.
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sniper · Seaman Recruit Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 21

Remember, Blue Helmets make nice targets.

That may sound a bit brash, but I was BORN with certain INALIENABLE rights, not rights bestowed on me by J-effin-K or the UN.

I have my Fathers M1, it protected liberty in WW2, it can do so again.

Weaponeer · Seaman Recruit Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 28

I have been building Browning 1919A4 belt fed Semi-Autos for a couple years. They have not seen combat in 60 years, but if a bad hit's I'm sure they would be pressed back into service.

It's funny that weapons parts and kits such as the 1919 parts kits have been selling like wildfire the last couple months... I had 200 kits, and I'm down to about 50 kits now and the last two places that have them in the US are just about sold out and the prices are climbing fast.

Much of it had to do with fear that Kerry will get into office to stop the legal building of semi-auto weapons in the US.

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MrJapan · PO1 Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 465 Location: Chiba, Japan