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cipher
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If you want to go through ALL of the DU talking points, you need to go back 50 pages or so on this site and start reading. Most have been debunked with actual military documents and references.
Are you sure you aren't you supposed to be in NYC on 7th avenue?
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Bostonian
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Drew, regarding who was on what boats...
There are Navy records, but I'm not sure we have them in all cases.
But if you pay attention to the numerous detailed statements of the SBVT here & elsewhere, you will see that everyone is pretty clear on who was on which boat when.
In contrast, Kerry & his friends are vague about the details wherever it suits them, which is often. |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Why are you so willing to accept the word of a proven liar to that of 254 honorable, decorated veterans? Kerry's words are a matter of record. Anything Kerry says is OK, but rebuttal is not allowed, and should be viewed as suspect. |
This freedom of speech thing is a real b**** when you're a Kerryite, ain't it? 
Why do you think the Kerry Kampf has tried to get the book off the shelves, prevent airing of the ads and even filed a wahhhh-wahhhhh complaint with the FEC?
527's have been pounding the President with outright LIES for a year and Kerry never said a word. This group of Navy men who served with him come out with the TRUTH and he's crying for Daddy to make them stop?
Get real!
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Drew wrote: | | Perhaps I lack a total understanding of the situation with this particular form. Is it a requirement for all military personnel to sign this form and have their records made public, and in what way has John Kerry deviated from the standard procedure? |
You are either being deliberately obtuse or .... well, the alternative is just too sad to contemplate.
There's only ONE Presidential candidate who has not released all of the available records and that's John Kerry.
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Bostonian
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Drew,
The SF 180 would authorize release of all his records, including, for example, proof that he deserved his Purple Hearts, according to Navy regulations. If the records showed that, the SBVT would become a joke overnight, and nobody would pay them any more attention. It's already gone on for three weeks, and Kerry has had to spend campaign dollars fighting it, when he'd clearly rather spend that money later.
It is not "required" that Kerry sign this form. He can do what he likes. Just as the voters can.
It is in Kerry's interest to get clear of this whole morass, so I wonder why he has not signed the form. Don't you wonder too? |
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ccr
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| Drew wrote: | | ccr wrote: | | Those who appeared in the first ad, did not -- as Stewart claimed -- just serve with Kerry in Vietnam. They were fellow Swift Boat sailors who served in his same division. Some bunked with Kerry. They went on the same missions together and were able to observe Kerry very closely. Kerry reported to others in the ad. |
Where is the evidence to support this claim, and what must be done to bring it to the attention of John Stewart and the Daily Show. Has any effort been made by SBVFT to obtain a retraction of these claims, if they are indeed, as you say, false? |
Drew, all the evidence is in the book Unfit for Command. I believe you can find most of the information on the content pages of this website.
As to your questions regarding Bush's service....
It doesn't matter.
This isn't about Bush. It is all about Kerry and whether or not he is fit to be commander in chief.
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cipher
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Perhaps I lack a total understanding of the situation with this particular form. Is it a requirement for all military personnel to sign this form and have their records made public, and in what way has John Kerry deviated from the standard procedure? |
Yes, it is a requirement to sign the form SF 180 to release the records. Kerry has not signed it, so that means they haven't been released. When he signs it, we can see what the Navy records actually say, as opposed to what the Kerry Kamp says the records say. Which is under severe criticism lately by many, in case you've not been following the news.
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Uisguex Jack
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| Quote: | | Are you sure you aren't you supposed to be in NYC on 7th avenue? |
Me thinks he has a 'blackberry' and is in a air conditioned coffee shop, not actually out in the heat. |
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Drew
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | You are either being deliberately obtuse or .... well, the alternative is just too sad to contemplate.
There's only ONE Presidential candidate who has not released all of the available records and that's John Kerry. |
Am I mistaken or are there only 3 presidential cadidates total. And I don't believe Ralph Nadar's records are even in contention.  |
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cipher
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| Quote: | | Me thinks he has a 'blackberry' and is in a air conditioned coffee shop, not actually out in the heat. |
Nah, I'm betting he's five miles inside of Cambodia, with visions of sugar plums dancing....
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cipher
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| Quote: | | Am I mistaken or are there only 3 presidential cadidates total. |
Okay, we're narrowing it down. He's obviously not in California....
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DaveL
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Kerry simply needs to do what any presidential candidate would be expected to do in this day and age, and time of war:
- Allow the military to publicly release all records. Bush has, Kerry refuses! Why?
- Release all personal medical records. Bush has, Kerry refuses! Why?
- Release all joint financial and tax records. Bush has, Kerry refuses! Why?
- And since Kerry's personal journals are selectively used by him to support his official record, they should also be released in their entirety.
Begin by signing form 180! |
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cipher
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:pouting:
You *broke* our Troll! And just when it was getting to the good part....
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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Perimeter clear...
Ten minutes from white bread silliness to toast, thanks to you all. 
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Rurik
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Drew wrote: | | Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | You are either being deliberately obtuse or .... well, the alternative is just too sad to contemplate.
There's only ONE Presidential candidate who has not released all of the available records and that's John Kerry. |
Am I mistaken or are there only 3 presidential cadidates total. And I don't believe Ralph Nadar's records are even in contention. |
Yes Drewy Dao, you are mistaken. About many things.
Thre are not "only 3 presidential candidates", but quite a few more. Teh Livrtarians, Coonstitutionalists, Socialists, and yes i believe even the Communists are all fielding candidates.
While Ralph Nader's military records are not in contention (It is well known he served with distinction in the Alpha Centauri Space Marines), many of his other records would definitely be in contention were he a serious candidate. But that is beside the point. This site, as you have been reimnded repeatedly is about not Bush, not Nader, but Kommando Kerry.
Just guessing, your active service was with Sauron's Legion?
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