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ASPB
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| kyleparr wrote: | My point was that you were all Bush supporters back then, I am sure, and probably think he did a pretty good job, yet he flip-flopped.
I think what you might be looking for in a President is a guy that just says something and sticks to it, no matter what. See Reagan and his disposal of the department of education and getting rid of abortion. Talked alot about it. Never did anything. Made numbskulls feel better though.
Dubya is that same, except he is a huge liar. He tells us the "vast majority of the tax cut is for the lower income people" and "weapons of mass destruction" and never admits he was wrong or that he said it to politic.
It seems "I am not a crook" is very Presidential in this group. As long as you never admit to anything, you are good to go. |
Kyle why don't your read the constitution.
The Federal Government is not supposed to be in the equcation business.
Got rid of abortion? Check history boyo, we still have abortion.
Has Kerry ever admitted he was wrong in 71? Hell No!
If all you can do is thrown out unsubstantiated allegations why don't you just go elsewhere? If you're going call anyone a liar or stupid you have an obligation to prove, othrwise you are the one wrong and lying. get a clue.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| kyleparr wrote: | | By rule, you are saying you DO want the other candidate, Bush, to be President. |
Simply wrong. We consider the prospect of a Kerry presidency to be a political abomination and a disaster for this country. If a Kerry candidacy results in a second term for President Bush, that is the responsibility of those that selected him to carry their banner.
In our opinion, and, I might add, in a respectable percentage of your own party's pre-primary rhetoric, you've opted for a sow's ear. Feel free, at anytime in this forum, to metamorph him into a silk purse.
| Quote: | | Therefore, you are obligated to justify why he is BETTER than Kerry. This involves responding to valid criticisms of him, his administration, and his policies. |
Since your premise about Swiftvets and the purpose of this forum is wrong, so is your conclusion.
But you DO raise a valid concept. As a member of this forum and Kerry supporter, you've been provided the opportunity, perhaps even the obligation, to debate the particulars of the collective disdain for John Forbes Kerry that is the crux of this endeavor.
Here's a list you may start with. Feel free to respond to any or all at your convenience. Others will be happy to provide you with a list of Kerry's post-Vietnam abominations when you run out of things to do.
| Quote: | 1. Kerry was re-assigned 3 times in a 4 month period. Isn't that a rather unusually high rate of re-assignment? Can you suggest a plausible rationale?
2. Why was Kerry transferred from his original unit, Coastal 14, after only 18 days? Was that a training assignment only? Or could his Purple Heart request 4 days prior to transfer have had more of an impact on his tenure than we might be privy to?
3. When and why was Kerry re-assigned from Coastal 13 back to Coastal Division 11 when a superior officer, whose objection to Kerry's performance, purportedly, had been instrumental in his initial transfer from that unit, was still serving in that unit? Was the nature of Kerry's Coastal 13 performance so comparatively odious that re-assignment BACK to Coastal 11 was considered the more palatable of 2 undesirable options?
4. Why isn't the date of Kerry's THIRD transfer from Coastal 13 BACK to Coastal 11 documented on his website? Wouldn't his military records contain orders assigning him to that unit on a specific date?
5. Why haven't his various transfer orders been made public?
6. Why does Kerry's website misidentify the location of Coastal 13 in Cam Ranh Bay instead of Cat Lo where it was actually located?
7. Why hasn't Kerry provided the after-action reports for his period of service with Coastal 13, Cat Lo?
8. Was Kerry's being "credited" with the killing of 20 vietcong the impetus behind Kerry's THIRD transfer in less than 8 WEEKS?
9. What happened in Cat Lo?
10. Why is Page 1 of LCDR Streuli's Kerry fitness report missing? |
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War Dog
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | My point was that you were all Bush supporters back then, I am sure, and probably think he did a pretty good job, yet he flip-flopped. |
It's really hard to determine how many military members either active duty, reserve, veteran or retired are Bush supporters, but from what I've seen from my years in the military, and the thousands of veterans I have come into contact since I retired in 95, plus the huge amount of pro-Bush web sites, I think that I'm safe in saying the majority of this nation's military members, either active duty, reserve, veteran or retired are in fact pro-Bush. Especially considering all the damage that the Clinton/Gore years did to the US Military. As far as Flip-Flopping, President Bush can't even hold a candle to all the poll-based executive branch decisions made by the Clinton/Gore Administration. Now, that was flip-flopping on a grand scale.
| Quote: | | I think what you might be looking for in a President is a guy that just says something and sticks to it, no matter what. See Reagan and his disposal of the department of education and getting rid of abortion. Talked alot about it. Never did anything. Made numbskulls feel better though. |
Yep, we are looking for a President that just says something and sticks to it, no matter what. And that President is George W. Bush. Overall, he has stuck to what he has promised the American People when he was elected. As far as former President Reagan, he did more for this nation than any President since President Kennedy. If you think that he did nothing, then maybe you should come out of that Democratic Party hole you are in, and quit parroting the party line. Hopefully, one day you will open your eyes and see the real world for what it is, learn a few things, and quit believing the lies that the Democrats and liberals tell you.
| Quote: | | Dubya is that same, except he is a huge liar. He tells us the "vast majority of the tax cut is for the lower income people" and "weapons of mass destruction" and never admits he was wrong or that he said it to politic. |
How about proving just how a 'huge liar' President Bush is? As far as the tax cuts, everybody that paid taxes received tax cuts in proportion to the taxes that they paid in to the Federal Government. The 'lower income people' as you put it, generally pay no or very little taxes, so it stands to reason that they received very little back from these tax cuts. Your argument is another one of the lies that is spread by the Democratic Party and liberals. If you do your homework, you'll find out that fully 50% of the people in our nation pay little or no taxes at all.
But, as the Democratic Party and Liberals keep hoping for, they want to adopt socialist concepts of taking money from the rich and wealthy and giving to the 'lower income people'. Of course it matters not to them that these people do not deserve nor have they earned this money. This is still a free country and a society built on capitalism and business success, and thank God, we still have to opportunity to work for what we get, instead of having the government give it to us free.
As far as the WMD issue is concerned, this issue will remain open for a long time. Iraq is about the size of California, and there are thousands upon thousands of square miles in which to hide WMD, plus there are thousands of unexplored buildings and underground sites to check out.
Plus, until the vast amount of captured Iraqi government, military and scientific documents are translated and read, plus the former members of the Iraqi government, military and scientific workers/members are fully investigated and interviewed, this issue will remain open. Currently, there is a lot of speculation as to if there were any WMD, if so, what happened to that WMD, etc. If you go back and research this, you will see that for at least 15 years, and 17 UN Sanctions, the majority of the nations not only in the UN, but also in our own Congress and government all believed that Iraq had vast quantities of WMD. And the majority of the members of Congress, including Democrats and Liberals, and the members of the Clinton/Gore administration also believed that there were vast quantities of WMD in Iraq and controlled by Saddam Hussen.
The majority of the UN members, their governments, the worlds intelligence agencies including that of our nation all believed that Saddam Hussen had WMD stockpiles. Of course since then we have discovered that this intelligence was faulty, and was not correct in the reports of exactly how much WMD Saddam Hussen and Iraq had. The Democratic Party and the Liberals in this nation forget that they themselves also believed this intelligence, but of course, they will never admit that. They continue to parrot the same line that President Bush lied about WMD, when in reality the entire UN and world was duped into believing that this intelligence was correct. Talk about never admitting that you were wrong! At least the Bush Administration has admitted that the intelligence reports were wrong, and that their believing the same and putting out this incorrect information based on those intelligence reports were wrong. The Democrats and Liberals have yet to admit that they were wrong, they just continue to blame it all on President Bush, and his administration.
As for this issue of President Bush admitting his being wrong, no President in the entire history of America has ever admitted that either he or his administration was wrong, or apologized to the level that the Democrats and Liberals want President Bush to do. Gee, for all the mistakes and screwed up policies and actions the Clinton/Gore administration made, we never heard any apologies from them, did we? Once again, you are parroting the Democratic Party and Liberal line.
| Quote: | | It seems "I am not a crook" is very Presidential in this group. As long as you never admit to anything, you are good to go. |
That is a really stupid comment, and after all the crooked, underhanded, illegal and immoral things done by the Clinton/Gore administration, your comment is really funny!
Woof!
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kyleparr
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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I think this is a great time to review what Clinton and Gore did that was "illegal" during their term. I will stipulate that Clinton lied and was completely wrong to do so. I will stipulate that he got a (deleted by moderator), maybe several.
Now, I stipulated to those two things. Please start the ball rolling on the others. What else did he do illegal. the Rep party spent over 100 million dollars trying to get him busted for something, so you should have a ton of stuff.
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BrianC
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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OK - how about algore: "No controlling legal authority."
This was his comment upon being informed that, by gosh, it was indeed illegal to accept campaign contributions in a Buddhist Temple. And the real oddity was that the checks handed over to him were from Buddhist priests and nuns. The checks, most of them, were in the thousands of dollars, and yet the magnificent and #2 banana in the "most ethical administration" didn't bother to ask how it was that priests and nuns who had taken vows of poverty could possibly come up with that amount of cash.
Later, when informed it was indeed a fundraiser, algore's excuse was, "I didn't know it was a fundraiser."
Later still, when informed he was indeed at the very meeting that discussed the campaign stops, he then said, "That was probably discussed when I was out of the room - I'd had a lot of iced tea to drink that day." (Never minding again that the question didn't specifically state WHAT DAY it was, but there was algore, remembering a specific meeting, on a specific day).
That's an incredible memory for an administration whose most-often used response was "I don't recall." |
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kyleparr
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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That is a good example of shady dealing, no doubt. Was it ever adjuducated? I like the ice tea comment.
I think the "I don't recall" badwagon really got going at Iran-Contra. Oh, and people REALLY DIED there. Because they were not taking money from priests, but rather selling arms (against the law) to people that wanted to KILL people and giving the proceeds to PEOPLE that wanted to KILL PEOPLE.
Which is worse for someone not to recall? |
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BrianC
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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That is a good example of shady dealing, no doubt. Was it ever adjuducated? I like the ice tea comment.
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Shady dealing?
Do a google search on the name MARIA HSIA. She did time prison time for algore's lawbreaking. She's also been connected to the PRC Army. You do know what "PRC" stands for, don't you?
Yes, you like the iced tea comment - isn't it just precious when Leftists break the law and can make you lemmings smile and giggle with cute little comments that are more suited to a child in 3rd grade with a "dog ate my homework excuse" ?
Was it ever adjudicated? Of course it wasn't - Janet Reno was Attorney General. There was "no need to investigate" algore, according to the Great Protector, Janet. |
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kyleparr
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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FACT: Do you know how many Reagan administration officials were convicted -- not just indicted, but convicted -- of crimes while, for conduct while they were in office? Thirty. Do you know how many Clinton Administration officials were? One. The Chief of Staff of the Secretary of Agriculture, in a case that involved football tickets. One person. After eight years and seven independent counsels, dozens of congressional committees, scores of right-wing lawsuits, tens of thousands of investigative journalist pieces -- one person. And that, the Chief of Staff of the Secretary of Agriculture.
Now, now. No idependent councils? Sheesh. I couldn't swing a dead cat in the 90's without hitting a republican Independent Council. How did they miss this one?
wow, the PRC? That must have been close. So, we were almost communist in the 90's? The commies almost got us again, and I missed it? Luckily we have the followers of Joe McCarthy keeping them at bay.
Once again, I am confused. Did anyone die? My example of "I don't recall" has actual DEAD PEOPLE. Of course, they were dead BROWN people, so that must have been why the Reagan Administration didn't care about them.
And for illegal campaign contributions....
http://www.onlinejournal.com/archive/04-01-02_Whitlow.pdf |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Of course, they were dead BROWN people, so that must have been why the Reagan Administration didn't care about them. |
Dead BROWN people?
Is this the dreaded race card, Mr. Uncommitted?
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kyleparr
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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fortdixlover has been playing the race card wherever and whenever it suits him. So have a lot of other folks on this board. I am just pointing out that people lied and people died during Uncle Ronnie's tenure and noone seems to care. why is that?
I have been accused many times in the last week of wanting to kill A-rabs because I do not our military to continue killing A-Rabs. I am making observations that NOONE here seems to care that a lot of people seem to have died during the administrations of Reagan, Bush Sr, and now Dubya. As long as they get a tax break, who cares?! |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| kyleparr wrote: | fortdixlover has been playing the race card wherever and whenever it suits him. So have a lot of other folks on this board. I am just pointing out that people lied and people died during Uncle Ronnie's tenure and noone seems to care. why is that?
I have been accused many times in the last week of wanting to kill A-rabs because I do not our military to continue killing A-Rabs. I am making observations that NOONE here seems to care that a lot of people seem to have died during the administrations of Reagan, Bush Sr, and now Dubya. As long as they get a tax break, who cares?! |
I'm not talking to fortdixlover. Or anyone else but you.
Does the two paragraphs you wrote mean "yes"?
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kyleparr
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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YES. I will take the race card and put it in the hands of the liberals.
The republican party is the party of the white male. I think they are still hung up in manifest destiny. People like George Bush telling people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps is a joke. He never did anything.
The Republican party has aliented me, a 38 year old, white, episcopal male with 2 kids and a professional career with its religious fervor, homophobia, war and fear mongering, blatant racism, and destruction of the environment in favor of corporate profits. I am not a big fan of the democratic party, but I find that they have more people oriented values, are less judgmental of people that are different, and are actually interested in helping people.
I want a third party to emerge to get rid of the extreme right and the extreme left. their influence is destructive to the American way of life. I am not sold on John Kerry, but I am certainly not going to vote for a dictator wanna be like Bush, who would lock an American citizen up for two years, calling him an enemy combatant, and not even let him see attorney or be charged. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 12:05 am Post subject: |
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People didn't live long enough to go to jail under Clinton, They misteriously commited suicide, Vince Foster ring any bells. Oh ya then there was that accidental plane crash, Mr. Brown? How about McDougle? His wife? The list goes on and on. President Reagan admitted that the evidence showed wrong doing and ensured that justice was served on those involved, that my friend is why more went to prison under his watch. Honor and devotion to country! Now back to Clinton, he didn't just lie, he commited PERGURY under OATH. That is not just a little lie, it's a felony. Semper Fi.
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kyleparr
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 12:34 am Post subject: |
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Oh. Here we go. Everyone was getting murdered. And I am the crazy one.
Clinton did lie under oath and was wrong to do it. I think he should have told the truth and I think he should have been punished. However, he was lying about getting a sexual favor. Do you think he ever should have been put under oath for that reason?
He was not lying about THINGS THAT KILLED PEOPLE!!! Iran-Contra KILLED PEOPLE! Reagan never had to speak under oath, but many of the people he worked with LIED under OATH.
See the conservative "HERO" Ollie North. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| kyleparr wrote: | | See the conservative "HERO" Ollie North. |
Who told you Ollie North was a conservative hero (or "HERO", for that matter)?
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