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DougReese
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| jim_nyc wrote: | This is a serious question.
Was it typical to make <a target="_blank" href="http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=movies">movies</a> of your exploits? I mean did you guys have an official documentarian? Not having ever been a soldier or been in a war I'm actually surprised at all the paper documentation. So is this why there are all these films of Kerry? Are there films of the other swift boat guys? Did each boat have a filmographer? Did the Navy supply the camera and film? I've been curious about this for a long time. Hate to sound so ignorant and naive. Can someone elaborate on the films? |
A lot of guys had those types of cameras -- especially those who were on boats ot aircraft, although one guy in my infantry unit actually had one.
Most of the footage taken with Kerry's camera didn't have Kerry in it, but was of the countryside, canals, rivers, etc.
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cipher
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Mr. Reese, can you help me out with a technical question regarding the RPG-2 and B-40 loadout?
The MTSR states that 12 B-40s were captured after the action. There was only one RPG-2 that the VC had which was captured by Kerry. One B-40 was shot at the PCF 94, which popped a porthole from proximity concussion effect of a "close aboard" shot.
The VC was "10 feet away" according to the MTSR and "only 10 feet away" according to the SS citation.
The VC had a "dream shot" of a protected "up the spout" bow-on shot on a Swift boat at less than point blank range. Rather than take the shot, he ran.
This is supposition on my part. If the first loader was killed in the initial suppression fire, the RPG was not loaded, partially loaded, or completely loaded, and not ready. If either of the first two cases is true, then the shot was not doable. If the weapon WAS loaded, then the VC just panicked and ran right into the fire of the bow gunner, and eventually to his death when Kerry chased him down.
The technical question is: How many B-40s were in a "normal load" (I assume some sort of case or bandolier was used?) Is "12" consistent with TWO rounds expended? One for the close aboard hit, and one loaded in the RPG?
There is no real point to this, other than my personal enlightenment based on your experience. While fisking the ABC article and looking at the reports, it seems almost unbelieveable that the VC didn't take the opportunity to take the ONE shot of a lifetime -- a below the water line shot on a Swift boat -- when it was only 10 feet away, and beached bow up.
Especially in the face of certain death.
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flagreen
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| I haven't found much on Kyle Horst. If he is a freelance producer he hasn't "produced" much. I did email World Vision International in Vietnam to see if they knew how I could contact him. I'll see if I get an answer - not holding my breath though. |
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DougReese
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| cipher wrote: | Mr. Reese, can you help me out with a technical question regarding the RPG-2 and B-40 loadout?
The MTSR states that 12 B-40s were captured after the action.
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Really? We captured 12? Are you sure about that? I never have remembered what was captured back then, but also don't recall any report that said we captured 12 of those. Could you give me a link to that? I'm not doubting you, but would like to see if it's something that I have read, but just overlooked that part of it, or if I never read it all.
As for why he didn't fire the B-40 when the boat had beached so close to him, I suppose we'll never know. Keeping in mind they (the VC there that day) never imagined that the Swifts would stop like that, perhaps he was in such a state of shock . . . and fear, that firing wasn't an option that came to mind.
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flagreen
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Here's what I have found out so far regarding the "freelance producer".
His name is Kyle Horst aka R. Kyle Horst. He formerly worked for the United Nations (1980s) as did Teresa Heinz Kerry. At the UN he helped Vietnamese refugees relocate to the USA. He also worked for World Vision International (Christian organization) in Hanoi but apparently no longer does. I can find nothing which he has ever "produced" and suspect that ABC merely named him as such as a matter of convenience.
The UN connection to Teresa may just be coincidence, then again he may know her or they may have mutual friends at the UN. She used to do quite a bit of charity work and he seems to always be involved with sorts of efforts. |
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ord33
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:52 am Post subject: |
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flagreen,
I found this that Kyle Horst had produced, I dont know if you would call it produced, but it seems to be some sort of article with cooperation from another guy.
http://www.mbeaw.org/resources/countries/vietnamsince1975.html
| Quote: | | Goose, Stephen D. & R. Kyle Horst. "Amerasians in Vietnam: still waiting," Indochina Issues 83 (8/1988). |
Interesting, if you go to the main url, www.beaw.org its heading says:
"Monterey Educators Against War: For an informed opposition to war, to empire, & to all other forms of institutionalized violence & injustice – as public policy, as practice, as livelihood, & as habit of mind."
Also found this article by Mr. Horst, nothing really revealing here to my eyes at least. http://www.nccbuscc.org/mrs/pie/pie402.htm
Was involved with Nike relations a lot as part of "Specialist Group" http://www.calbaptist.edu/dskubik/nike_app.htm
http://www.med.uwo.ca/students/hippo/efc_lg99.htm
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hanna
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| Teresa worked for the UN as a translator shortly after she came to this Country. She came here as Heinz's wife. |
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flagreen
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Good finds ord33. I hope someone from the MSM is looking into this guy. One thing is for sure - the man has never worked in television before and he is not a "producer". So why did Nightline feel the need to portray him as one? There could be a perfectly innocent explanation then again they may have wanted to obscure his background for other reasons.
Why would someone like him know how to find the village? Didn't he just pop up after Vietnamese "miraculously" changed their mind and decided to let them in?
Strange.... |
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ord33
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Mr. Reese, here is the document and what it states "...1 B-40 ROCKET LAUNCHER CAPTURED...12 B-40 ROCKET BACK BLAST MASKS CAPTURED"
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Misty
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I have a few questions.
First of all, who is to say Koppel was guided to the proper coordinates? What if they were taken to the place where the action was on the 20th, when Kerry and Thorson got the purple hearts? The local people said it was a huge battle...a special day....many things were destroyed and much weaponry was utilized....as in the battle of the 20th? Isn't that true?
It is entirely possible that the battle actually occurred, but it was one of the others in February. The date on that burial site....have you determined what date that actually is?
Also, the woman said that the man they found dead was found near the bank, not behind a hooch. They also said the guy who was shot had been kneeling by the bank, not down in a spider hole or whatever. I thought the guy Kerry shot had been in some sort of hole.
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Misty
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Can anyone read this????
Unsere Autoren
R. Kyle Hörst
R. Kyle Hörst wurde 1957 in Pennsylvania geboren. Er war für die UNO und für Hilfsorganisationen in Vietnam tätig und lebt heute als Publizist, Dokumentarfilmer und Politikberater in Clifton/Virginia.
Veröffentlichungen:
In der Anderen Bibliothek erschien von ihm, gemeinsam mit Georg Brunold und Klaus Hart 1999 Von den anderen Farben der Liebe.
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flagreen
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Misty,
From Bablefish;
| Quote: | | Our authors R. Kyle hears R. Kyle hears 1957 in Pennsylvania was born. It was active for the UN and for relief organizations in Viet Nam and lives today as journalist, documentary film producer and a politics advisor in Clifton/Virginia. Publications: In the other library appeared common to hard from it, with George Brunold and Klaus 1999 of the other colors of the love. |
Great find!
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Misty
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EXcellent. I am sorry I haven't had a chance to follow along here better. You guys are usually way ahead of me around here! Excellent work!!!
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flagreen
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Thank you for your help Misty! It would be very interesting to learn from Horst exactly what happened with the ABC crew. How and why they were finally allowed in country and what exactly was said, under what conditions, at the village. My guess is that we do not have the full story from ABC. With Dan Rather on the way over there to do a similar story it could be very important.
BTW - I edited out some of the information in my last post. I did so because as they say - "Loose lips sink ships". 
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Misty
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I am glad to be able to help! Finally!
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