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Beatrice1000
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 Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:49 am Post subject: Re: Hannity and Colmes |
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| rhv5862 wrote: | | They have shown an Airborne Shot going to break. Could they be going to bring up the Tiger Force issue. |
Yes: Toledo Blade -- Mike Sallah & Mitch Weiss. Tiger Force, 18 members, 1967 - crimes covered up after 4-1/2 yr investigation.
Gallagher said it had been reported that these type of atrocities were commonplace & represented US policy and asked if that were true.
Sallah said bet 1965-73 that the vast amount of soldiers did NOT commit atrocities and that it was unfair to the Viet Nam veterans to paint them with a broad brush. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:49 am Post subject: Re: Hannity and Colmes |
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| rhv5862 wrote: |
Why does Colmes believe 12 of Kerry's Band of Brothers rather than 250 SBVT.
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For the same reason he prefers to give credence to someone who doesn't remember something rather than to someone who does. It fits his agenda.
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neverforget
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:51 am Post subject: |
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>>Colmes says that the Republicans are using techniques like Goebbels - say a lie over and over and often enough..."<<
Now that is the projection of the year. |
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baldeagl
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I read one article that was about Colonel Hackworth. Near the end of the article the writers point out that Hackworth was never questioned about the "atrocities". An interesting choice, to write that. Earlier in the article they point out that Hackworth had rotated out of Nam and was no longer in charge of the unit when the supposed atrocities occored. So why would Hackworth be questioned about it?
Typical media guilt by association. Same thing that's going on now WRT Abu Ghraib. Everybody is guilty because a handful of bozos misbehaved.
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| The dems are hoping for 1. a terorist attack 2. Bad economy 3. Deaths in Iraq. 4. Proof of atrocitys in VN. Nice to have such a positive party |
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I didn't see George Bush in Alabama either, so Colmes can add me to the list, a list that will grow to millions and millions of names... On the other hand George Bush never saw me in the Navy, so maybe I wasn't there either.
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| producehawk wrote: | | The dems are hoping for 4. Proof of atrocitys in VN. Nice to have such a positive party |
So what if there's proof of atrocities? There already has been. The point is not whether or not atrocities occurred, but why Kerry chose to paint with a broad brush , especially while comrades-in-arms were being held captive.
Sounds to me like a typical attempt to move the goalpost if not change it entirely.
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Kathy Kay
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| rb325th wrote: | Well one of the Authors made the case this WAS NOT in his view the standard for our Military In Vietnam, that Atrocoties WERE NOT common place and widespread. He also said such claims were a slap in the face of our Vietnam Veterans!
Took the wind right out of Colmes, don't think he asked a single question. |
I was so relieved to hear them say that. I think they made it pretty clear that atrocities were not the norm.
A point I haven't made before but will make here now -- Kerry's operatives have dismissed his comments before Congress by saying that he was repeating what others had said. That was true -- he was repeating what others had said. But the point is he was saying what he said to prove the truth of the matters repeated, i.e. that atrocities were being perpetuated by U.S. military.
I'm an attorney. Repeating the statement of another is hearsay and not admissible in court when offered to prove the matter asserted in the statement. But when you read the entirety of Kerry's statement, he wasn't saying "oh, what horrible guys these other vets were because they stated 'they cut off ears, babies' heads" and should be condemned for that" but rather he repeated what he had heard these other vets say to PROVE that the atrocities occurred.
I mention this because, in a debate, that has to be the response. Yes, he was repeating what others had said but he was repeating it to make a point -- that this is what was occurring in Vietnam. In law, a repeated remark that is defamatory makes the repeater just as culpable if they repeat the remark as if it were true.
Am I making sense?
I'm adding this clarification as an edit:
I should have said at the end of this post that the "a repeated remark that is defamatory makes the repeater just as culpable as the original speaker if the defamer repeats the remark as if it were true." I'll try to be a little more clear in the future. 
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Kathy Kay
| Quote: | . In law, a repeated remark that is defamatory makes the repeater just as culpable if they repeat the remark as if it were true.
Am I making sense? |
Yes. The one who isn't make sense is John "F" Kerry.
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Chuck Z Ombie AC2000
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So what was the outcome of the show, Kerry looked good or Kerry looked bad?
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| producehawk wrote: | | The dems are hoping for 1. a terorist attack |
If the Dems think that a terrorist attack is good for them, I have a bridge they can buy. ANY terrorist attack on this country between now and election time is just more votes against John F-ing Kerry, the liar. This attack in Russia is not good for the Dems either, it just points out that it's a global problem that won't be solved by negotiation, or law enforcement.
I wonder if F-ing knows that what an absolute waste of skin he is. Each day that passes I find him less palatable, and I always think that it can't get any worse. Then a new day comes, and proves me wrong.
Tomorrow is our primary, and I sure wish that there was an alternative to McCain. It reminds me of the old story about the wife that asks her husband,
"Just what in the hell did you ever do to deserve ME?"
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"Well, I was pretty mean as a kid!" 
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:30 am Post subject: Thanks |
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Kathy Kay wrote:
| Quote: | | In law, a repeated remark that is defamatory makes the repeater just as culpable if they repeat the remark as if it were true. |
Thanks, with that argument you gave me the ammo to shoot down many moonbats! |
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Kathy Kay
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| Chuck Z Ombie AC2000 wrote: | | So what was the outcome of the show, Kerry looked good or Kerry looked bad? |
Geez, it's hard to say I got so ticked off by some of the things that were said I had a hard time being objective.
I don't think Bob came off looking as a calm spokes man for Kerry's campaign but perhaps they realize that's not what they need right now -- they need the fire and brimstone guys that went to Florida to claim Bush stole the election.
I was disappointed with Colmes for obviously pushing the Kerry line.
But despite the "teaser" they had, that "new information" was to come about about Vietnam atrocities, I didn't think they did anything to harm anybody. While the guests noted there had been atrocitites, they went out of their way to say they were not common place.
So, once I calmed down, I thought it was an OK show. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:33 am Post subject: |
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Alam Colmes is an idiot. If he was not on the show it would lose the carnival atmosphere. I guess Hannity needs a freak for contrast.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:39 am Post subject: |
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John Kerry talking about atrocities in Vietnam makes about as much sense as it would for me to talk about my glory days on the football field.
Technically it would not be a lie even though I never played American Football, I played soccer as a kid.
I would just talk about the big plays on the field and making all the right passes and scoring the only points of the game.
Sounds like a quarterback who rushed through the defensive line that the offense could not get through themselves.
Gee, I think I am ready to be president.
and you want to know something else? Never was I ever the only one to score in a game, but who is going to remember that far back? |
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