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[Jeremy Eaton]

[fortdixlover]

[waltjones]

sparky: I really hate to say this, but you're right on about censorship. You made the point much more eloquently and less harshly than Hesiod, but that's just his style, I guess.

Craig: I'll bet that what you wrote won't get deleted this time. I believe the previous incident was a misunderstanding and part of admin's learning process. From what I can see, admin intends to allow all debate, no matter whose side you're on. On a side note, what has been your experience at moveon.org and DU? Do they allow opposing views to be posted, as long as they're not abusive? Thanks and Semper Fi!
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Walt Jones (USMC, '65 - '69) It says much about the person who defends a man with no honor.

[garb1015]

I dislike censorship as much as the next person. But trying to ban some of the posters that have been sent here to hijack this site is not, in my opinion censorship. When someone posts over 170 times in one day and they are all the same types of posts with the same Bush bashing and the same non response to the topic, etc, it is obvious who they are and why they were sent here. When people like this have come right out and admitted that that's why they're here, I certainly feel that they can be banned, and that banning would not be censorship.
I, for one, welcome Kerry supporters to visit this site and by all means try and convince me why they think he is qualified to lead this country. You can do that by answering some of the claims against his political record. His voting record has been posted here and people have claimed that he has flip-flopped, that he has jumped onto winning bandwagons to advance his career, that he has been basically a Ted Kennedy clone which is a great way to maintain job security on the hill and that his views on issues such as gun control, abortion, gay marriage, tax cuts, military cuts to name a few, support him and his job and not what is best for the country.
When the Kerry supporters have finished addressing that issue, then they can concentrate on changing my mind in regard to his self-serving military carreer, as short as it was, and the damage that he caused to Viet Nam veterans and to this entire country with his words and actions in the early seventies.
Now, if Kerry supporters can come here and debate that this man has the ability to lead this country honorably and to be an honorable CIC, then I will fight in any way I can to prevent them from being censored or banned.

[publius]

Garb1015, the very best thing about Kerry is that he is a liberal and would govern just left of center.

That means he would favor a fair shake for all Americans, would decrease the power corporations have to purchase the work product of Congress, and would promote peace through strength while returning America to its previous respect and esteem in the world -- in the end our moral authority is and always has been far more powerful than our guns and Bush and company have squandered it to an historic low. Millions of young out-of-work men who consider America the great Satan based on its killing of thousands of innocents will not make us safer. Make the case that it will if you can.

It is the liberal mind that has provided all the decency and social justice that all Americans enjoy, ironically, including the very conservatives who wish to set asunder the progress of the last two centuries from our founding to the present. From long experience, we can expect conservatives to howl louder than ever as their dog-eat-dog case falters but there is solace in knowing the struggle for a just society is old and despite temporary setbacks, they have continually lost it to people who actually revere humanity more than money, mutual progress instead of the law of the jungle.

Most Americans think America is not on the right track. Kerry will get us back on course. The screams and abuse from conservatives at this site speak volumes to the fear they feel as they watch their man sink by virtually every measure.

I've now read enough of this forum to have a good feel for the place. This discussion board isn't about facts it is nothing more than one more hatchet job in the politics of character assasination and personal destruction pioneered and perfected by Republicans. In my opinon, the best reading here is the thoughtful, factual refutations of their extremist distortions. Funny how they can dish it out...
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Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about killing than we know about living. -Gen Omar N. Bradley

[Bhist]

[DougReese]

[publius]

[Bhist]

Much better. Thank you.
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[nakona]

First of all, there is no such thing as censorship on ANY web forum.
Censorship is something the govt does. THIS is private property.

Second, it's hypocritical of the invaders from ** to whine about censorship, when anyone who jojns their site but does not agree with their views is banned immediately.

Third, it's important to make a distinction between "censorship" and defending against invasion.

You'll notice that the DU invaders try to maintain their posting privilages by appealing to the site's collective guilt about doing something as unamerican as "censorship", while on THEIR site, they do much worse all the time.

Banning obvious invaders and trolls isn't censorship, and if we allow the invaders to define it that way, then they have won.

That's exactly how they win in public all the time; by redefining things in such a way that they can manipulate them.

Don't fall for it people... don't let them fool you.
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[waltjones]

publius: I appreciate your honesty when you say you're proud to be a liberal, but please don't assume that everyone here is a Republican! Many of us here are angry at John Kerry. See John Moore's analysis of his Senate testimony at wintersoldier.com and my topic Calling All Marines. If he were to apologize, perhaps some of the hatred would dissipate, and then his candidacy could be decided on purely political issues. I know it's hard for you to accept, but many Vietnam veterans feel the same way. That's not to say there aren't conservatives here taking advantage of the situation - they are the people you need to debate with - and you do so graciously and well. I'm afraid, however that people in my category are a waste of your time.

Semper Fi!
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Walt Jones (USMC, '65 - '69) It says much about the person who defends a man with no honor.

[carpro]

[War Dog]

Publius and Doug, thanks for keeping it civil and honestly debating and discussing the issues and topics. The people that have been banned are ones that have come here for the express purpose of disrupting this site, causing as much trouble as they can, flaming all here at this site. They start from their first posts by attacking, name calling, insults, etc... They open as many new threads as they can, Saint opened over 85 new threads in about six hours. The Administrator and the Moderators know who here is sincere, who belongs, and who doesn't. You two have no worries, as I and I'm sure that the majority of others here enjoy your posts, and value your opinions.

That's what we all are here for, to discuss and debate the issue of whether John F. Kerry should be President and CIC! Keep up your posts, and keep the debate coming!

Woof!
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"When people are in trouble, they call the cops.

When cops need help, they call the K-9 unit."

[DougReese]

[War Dog]