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BrianC · PO2 Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 364

Once again - topics changed because the poor little victim Kyle has run out of pat, DNC-supplied answers.

Greenhat · LCDR Joined: 09 May 2004 Posts: 405

kyleparr · Guest

Plausible deniability. It is all about it. You know all of that is true and are arguing the point to support your agenda.

According to the people here, all of the Republican presidents and admi nistrations are as good as gold. Angelic even. I bet I could post Nixon Watergate facts and you would somehow justify those.

For people that take the high moral ground and talk about values, it is amazing how quickly they will kill people and justify it. Oh....that's right. That is what the terrorists do too!!

Grampa · Lt.Jg. Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 143 Location: Eureka, CA

Remember guys, that for liberals, history begins each morning and thus, they can say what they like, regardless of what really happened.

BAck on topic: Yes, the deaths we have had in Iraq have been worth it. Every picture I have showing smiling children and adults, every man who walked up to me over there and showed me a torture or bullet scar and thanked me, tells me that it was worth it. Two campaigns in the war on terror have freed 50 million people from insane dictatorships in the middle east. Like Reagan, GW understands that freedom is the natural state of humans and that it is sometimes necessary to fight for it, not merely wish for it.

Only a liberal could ***** about freedom.
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Iraqi Freedom 2003-2004. We won't take any of that 1960s crap when We come home!

kyleparr · Guest

Noone is b****ing about it, except Jose Padilla who has been incarcerated for two years with no charges under executive order by our "Freedom" President.

If they are so happy Gramps, why do they try and blow us up EVERY SINGLE DAY?! they are not all al Qaeda/terrorists.

I don't like freedom at the end of a rifle and it would seem that the Iraqi's don't either.

carpro · Admin Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas

Grampa · Lt.Jg. Joined: 20 May 2004 Posts: 143 Location: Eureka, CA

[quote="kyleparr"]Noone is b****ing about it, except Jose Padilla who has been incarcerated for two years with no charges under executive order by our "Freedom" President.

If they are so happy Gramps, why do they try and blow us up EVERY SINGLE DAY?! they are not all al Qaeda/terrorists.

Why don't you go there and find out? I did.

You are so horribly wrong on so many levels about the situation over there. Its almost a parody of the leftwing view.

And Padilla deserves to be held as a combatant. The courts have agreed so far on this.

I personally think he should have his citizenship revoked and declared persona non grata for training with Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.
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Iraqi Freedom 2003-2004. We won't take any of that 1960s crap when We come home!

nakona · Lieutenant Joined: 04 Jun 2004 Posts: 242

kyleparr · Guest

Grampa. You do not know what you are talking about with Padilla. The courts have sided with him on all counts. the justice department will not give up though.

12/18/2003 05:14 - The U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that the President cannot legally order the continuing detainment of U.S. Citizen Jose Padilla, who was taken into custody O'Hare airport 18 months ago on suspicion of plotting to detonate a "dirty bomb". The court has ruled that the military cannot hold Padilla, although the court notes that he can be turned over to a civil authority to face charges. The court noted, "[...] we find that the President lacks inherent constitutional authority as Commander-in-Chief to detain American citizens on American soil outside a zone of combat."

Padilla case: President cannot detain U.S. citizen, seized on U.S. soil, as enemy combatant
2nd Circuit relied on arguments in Human Rights First brief
New York -- The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit held today that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld must release U.S. citizen Jose Padilla from military custody within 30 days. The Court held that the executive branch does not have the constitutional or statutory authority to indefinitely detain U.S. citizens seized on American soil.

Appeals Court Stays Order To Free Padilla

Reuters
Friday, January 23, 2004; Page A02

NEW YORK, Jan. 22 -- A federal appeals court Thursday granted the Bush administration's request to delay an order that would force the government to release a U.S. citizen imprisoned as an enemy combatant.

The stay, issued by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit, gives the government time to pursue its case before the nation's highest court while Jose Padilla, an American citizen, remains imprisoned in a military jail.

In December, the 2nd Circuit ruled that President Bush lacked the power to order an American citizen, seized on U.S. soil, held as an enemy combatant. It ordered his release within 30 days.

However, the Justice Department appealed the ruling to the Supreme Court and asked the 2nd Circuit to stay its December order.

kyleparr · Guest

Please. Let's talk about Clinton's role in the OK City bombing.

Laughing

carpro · Admin Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas

kyleparr · Guest

I am not exactly sure. I am sure that the way Bush is "fixing it" is not working.

I would guess that world cooperation would be a lot easier to get with Kerry in office. I am also guessing that we would have some more credibility with the world community. I am not the worlds biggest fan of Kerry, but I certainly am disgusted by Bush and his cronies.

Bush had a chance to garner sympathy and build our nations role as a real world leader, yet made us look like bullies and tough guys that roam the halls beating people up. He also built and imperialistic identity for the U.S. with his actions. His complete disregard of international law and the UN disgusted the world community. His continued disregard of human rights and duplicitous stands continue to erode our image.

Kerry may not be the best answer, but he is another answer. Until we have a third-party, I am voting AGAINST Bush.

ASPB · Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:22 pm Post subject:

waltjones · Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:31 pm Post subject:

I am not exactly sure. Just like Kerry.

I am sure that the way Bush is "fixing it" is not working. Yes, it is, and it's working a lot better than the gloom and doomers ever thought it would!

Semper Fi!
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kyleparr · Guest

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Going well. I will believe that it is a real government when they send us packing.