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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After I had been at Korat about seven months, one night I had the K9 post at the end of the runway, by the gate to the back road on the base. Across the road was the 24overrun post, which had the strobe lights for that end of the runway. That post was about four hundred yards long by about 75 yards wide, with only one road that ran next to the strobes, and elephant grass on both sides of the road and the strobes. At the end of the post, there was a small turn around area for vehicles. Oh, how K9's hated that post and we hated it even more in bad weather. Have you ever had to stand on a post where the strobes went off for 12 hours straight, and there was no-where to go to get out of that light. I still hate strobe lights to this day. They still freak me out.

Anyway, I got off on a tangent, but I was at the gun bunker talking to the straight leggers, and I leaned on the bunker, on what I thought was the steel support beam. It wasn't, I leaned on the tin facing on the front of the bunker, and my hand went through it, and damn near sliced off my little finger on my left hand. Needless to say, I hit an artery, and had blood spurting. I closed my hand in a fist, and tightly pressed it to my chest, and called in. I had one hell of a time putting that muzzle on my dog. The K9 SAT truck came, took me back to the kennels, I put up my dog, and off to the base hospital we went. When I got there, there was circle of blood on my jungle fatigue shirt about ten inches in diameter, on my t-shirt, and on my chest. I didn't realize I had bled that much.

I took 13 stitches in my finger, and I couldn't take out my dog for two weeks. So, I drove the K9 SAT relief truck, a Deuce and a half. Now, that was one hell of a vehicle. This was during the monsoons, and I figured that since I wasn't on post, I didn't have to blouse my boots (silly me). I was posting 16 K9 handlers and their dogs on the front side of the base that night. We were driving from the kennels, and it was raining like hell, and a rice bug flew in the window, and crawled up my left pants leg.

I kept hitting at my pants leg, while all the time trying to drive the damn truck on the left side of the road (I hated that), and all of a sudden the damn bug pinched the hell out of my thigh. I let out a scream, released the wheel, and grabbed for the damn bug. Well, the truck went to the right, off the road, and headed for a telephone pole. I realized it in time to slam on the brakes, and we ended up with 16 handlers and their dogs in one pile in the back. We had dogs fighting dogs, handlers fighting handlers, dogs fighting handlers, and handlers fighting dogs. The one thing that they all had in common was they all wanted to fight me! But when they straightened everything out back there, and found out that it was a rice bug, everything was ok, as we all had to face the damn things. I never went anywhere after that without my boots bloused.

Just a amusing story, as I'm sure we all have more than our share of them. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ASPB River Rat;
" That same night, ASPB 92-8 which had been assigned to 'Giant Slingshot' several weeks earlier, came under mortar attack while alongside an Army LCM-8 in night mooring, at a Vietnamese outpost. As mortar shells burst about the craft all five crewmen were wounded; the boat captain, BM2 George T. MORTENSEN, in actions for which he was later awarded the Silver Star Medal, parted the fouled forward mooring line by backing his engines, and brought his craft midstream just as three rounds impacted in the spot where it had been moored."

This is eerie, Man. I was grounded at a little MRF FSB, called "Nancy", just off the Vam Co Dong on the Kinh Xang canal (XS 857572) on the night of 11 Jan, 69, together with SGT Phil Layton's 17 boat. In the middle of the night, Mr. Charles walked about 20 mortar rounds back and forth across us. I got a dime-sized piece of frag in the Butt, had one guy with a chest wound that we dusted-off (turned out to be minor), and Phil's boat took a round in the welldeck that just made a pretty good dent. I cannot for the life of me remember if there was a Navy ASPB there that night, as I was focused on my two boats.
I just talked to the Bn Cdr of the 5/12 Inf. (Col. A.W. Malone) , who we were working for, and he doesn't remember, as we had been "lent" to the MRF for a couple days. We were, I'm pretty sure, the only Army LCM-8s working in that area at that time, unless the 1097th was up there, but I never saw them. I'm sure of the date, from the PH citation.
Either this was the same action, clouded by 35 years and by an "After Action" report that may have the details a bit wrong, or it is a hellofa coincidence.
I'll ask Phil, next chance I get, what he remembers.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redhawk34 wrote:
ASPB River Rat;
" That same night, ASPB 92-8 which had been assigned to 'Giant Slingshot' several weeks earlier, came under mortar attack while alongside an Army LCM-8 in night mooring, at a Vietnamese outpost. As mortar shells burst about the craft all five crewmen were wounded; the boat captain, BM2 George T. MORTENSEN, in actions for which he was later awarded the Silver Star Medal, parted the fouled forward mooring line by backing his engines, and brought his craft midstream just as three rounds impacted in the spot where it had been moored."

This is eerie, Man. I was grounded at a little MRF FSB, called "Nancy", just off the Vam Co Dong on the Kinh Xang canal (XS 857572) on the night of 11 Jan, 69, together with SGT Phil Layton's 17 boat. In the middle of the night, Mr. Charles walked about 20 mortar rounds back and forth across us. I got a dime-sized piece of frag in the Butt, had one guy with a chest wound that we dusted-off (turned out to be minor), and Phil's boat took a round in the welldeck that just made a pretty good dent. I cannot for the life of me remember if there was a Navy ASPB there that night, as I was focused on my two boats.
I just talked to the Bn Cdr of the 5/12 Inf. (Col. A.W. Malone) , who we were working for, and he doesn't remember, as we had been "lent" to the MRF for a couple days. We were, I'm pretty sure, the only Army LCM-8s working in that area at that time, unless the 1097th was up there, but I never saw them. I'm sure of the date, from the PH citation.
Either this was the same action, clouded by 35 years and by an "After Action" report that may have the details a bit wrong, or it is a hellofa coincidence.
I'll ask Phil, next chance I get, what he remembers.
Redhawk34


I don't remember many of the details leading up to the action myself. Especially the name of the canal or the coordinates. We had escorted 1 (maybe it was 2) Mike-8's up river to the FSB from the LST down river. The LST may have been the Harkness County but I don't really remember and haven't researched it. I flushed most of this stuff out of my head years ago.

We were moored bow in, starboard side to a Mike-8 when Sir Charles starting walking mortars in on us. We took 1 round in the aft deckwell and a few landed close in. I cleared the boat in time to avoid 3 more direct hits, directed fire across the canal where we were also taking light small arms fire, and got the hell out of there as everyone on board was wounded; my forward 20MM gunner pretty seriously. It's not noted in the online MRFA history but my engineer, EN3 Kevin Gillotte, was awarded the Navy Cross for his actions that night. As noted above, Zummie awarded me a Silver Star.

I ran back down river on one engine with a pretty badly shot up boat, and medevaced the most serious casuality from the LST. The rest of us were treated aboard the LST.

A day or two later we took the boat back to Dong Tam for repairs. It was ultimately FRAMed and turned over to the Viets and I moved on to be a Patrol Officer of a team of 2 ASPB's in RIVDIV 595 where we received all new Mark II ASPBs. 595 was the only ASPB Division to serve in TF-116 (PBR's) in the entire war. We later were transferred to RIVRON 15 of the MRF as RIVDIV 153 - "Delta Destroyers". So I'm one of very few guys that can say he served in both PBR and MRF forces.

Let me know what else you remember or can find out.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:03 pm    Post subject: Great story, War Dog Reply with quote

The roads around Camp Eagle were all dirt roads until you got to Hwy 1.
The roads had a ditch along each side and during the monsoons the ditches would fill up with mud. You couldn't tell where the edge of the road stopped and the ditch started. For that reason I always drove down the middle when I could. One day I had to move over for a duece and a half coming from the opposite direction and I went a little too far. All the wheels on the right side of the truck went into the ditch and I was stuck. It was raining like hell and I was alone. Snipers had targeted that road before and that was all that was on my mind.
Fortunately, after dropping down into low transfer and pulling the steering wheel as hard as I could to the left, the wheels grabbed and I got out.

I'm trying to imagine the scene of a bunch of handlers and dogs wrestling around in a pile. Forgive me if I chuckle but I'm sure you guys laughed about it later.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ASPB River Rat;
"I don't remember many of the details leading up to the action myself. Especially the name of the canal or the coordinates."

Only reason I can remember is I still have my old maps, all marked up.
The FSB I was at was about 12-15 klicks up the Vam Co Dong from the bridge at Ben Luc. There is a mid-size canal running NE from there, and FSB Nancy was right at the intersection, south side. Thew had 4-105s there and an anti-personnel radar on a small tower. The FSB only existed for a month or so, as it was pretty much under water at high tide.
I'm beginning to think these were two actions, as we did not return fire, Friendlies to the north, and I would remember a boat as bad shot up as yours. Maybe that Army LCM-8 was from the 1097 Medium Boat Co based at Dong Tam (I was 1099th-Cat Lai). They were attached to the Ninth/MRF, mostly towing artillery barges, but also running cargo and tactical use. Their CO was 1LT Gus Pagonis, later Lt.Gen Log Commander for Desert Storm. His book "Moving Mountains" is a good read.
Sounds like you had an interesting evening.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm trying to imagine the scene of a bunch of handlers and dogs wrestling around in a pile. Forgive me if I chuckle but I'm sure you guys laughed about it later.


We did laugh alot about it later. A couple of weeks later, when I got to go out on post (but with a new dog - Blackie X850), I knew that the post had a 20 ft wide drainage ditch on it, but because of the monsoon rain, the water was about a foot deep on the post. I forgot where the damn thing was, and Blackie and I walked right into it. I damn near drown with all that heavy equipment on me, but Blackie swam out, and I just held on to the end of the leash, and he pulled me back to solid (but wet) ground.

That's the one thing about being K9, each night was different, and always with surprises and new things to discover!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ASPB River Rat,
Just talked to SGT Phil Layton this AM, who commanded the other Mikeboat 1/19/69, and he remembers no Navy boat with us that night, and that we did not return fire. Must be two different actions.
Mr. Charles must have been running a Mortar Happy Hour that night.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redhawk34 wrote:
ASPB River Rat,
Just talked to SGT Phil Layton this AM, who commanded the other Mikeboat 1/19/69, and he remembers no Navy boat with us that night, and that we did not return fire. Must be two different actions.
Mr. Charles must have been running a Mortar Happy Hour that night.
Redhawk


You never know. I didn't remember Rassmann and all those Nungs (nor he, me and the Vietnamese) . . . . it's that 35 year thing.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redhawk34 wrote:
ASPB River Rat,
Just talked to SGT Phil Layton this AM, who commanded the other Mikeboat 1/19/69, and he remembers no Navy boat with us that night, and that we did not return fire. Must be two different actions.
Mr. Charles must have been running a Mortar Happy Hour that night.
Redhawk


Unless it's a typo in this post we've got our dates messed up.

Mine: 11 Jan 1969
Yours from above 19 Jan 1969

Whatcha Think?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a graduate of the US Army typing school.
It's a typo. 11th is correct.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug;
". . . it's that 35 year thing. "

I been wonderin' a lot lately about th' Hereafter.
Every damn time I walk into a room, I fergit what I'm Hereafter.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to the original thread.
Larry Martin wrote:
Again , I've viewed all the sworn testimony on C-SPAN that John Kerry had given .


Larry Martin wrote:
If there's evidence that Mr. Kerry committed treason by helping the enemy , then bring forward.


Do you recall these statements from Mr. Kerry's testimony to the Senate sub-committee:

"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binhs "

Note that both delegations are the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong.

"and I realize that even my visits in Paris, precedents had been set by Senator McCarthy and others, in a sense are on the borderline of private individuals negotiating, et cetera"

Mr Kerry admits his actions are questionable Shocked

The recently released FBI files show that several activities by the VVAW while Mr. Kerry was a director were supportive of the enemy. Such as member ship in a umbrella organization that included Communist Party of USA(CPUSA), Hubbard trip to Paris in fall of 1971, threats made if Loas invaded, etc., etc., etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larry Martin wrote:
"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binhs "


"Note that both delegations are the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong."

Okay , that being the case and taking into consideration the year, also the fact that this country itself never support us and the war, what damage did he do? Please keep in mind, this was after our National Guard started shooting unarmed college students for trying to exercise their freedom of speech rights under our Constitution.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/views/y/2000/04/tuchman.kentstate.may4/



You ARE kidding, aren't you , Larry?

You can find the answer to your question all over this forum. I'm too tired to try to explain it. If you really are a Vietnam vet , no one needs to explain it to you. If you aren't, you don't matter anyhow.

Took your time coming out into the open, didn't you?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larry Martin wrote:
Without going into a lot of detail about my duty during serving in Vietnam and not that it's relevant, I had lots of contact with LCM / LCU that supply troops using the rivers. Looking back now thirty plus years after the fact and not to imply in anyway these guys had safe duty, quite the opposite. Without question , I would have loved that assignment.
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No you wouldn't Larry, and saying so just indicates how completely out of touch you are. How many units did you serve in that took in excess of 100% casualties in a 12 month period. 18 guys served with me on 3 boats and we had 26 Purple Hearts among us when I caught the Freedom Bird in November of 69.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larry Watson posted:

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First , I'd like say a little bit about a military history , I was drafted September 3rd 1969 and was signed to Vietnam March 5 1970 Approximately four months into my tour, I found myself spending the last three days in a field hospital somewhere south of Saigon. Then was medivac along with some others to another military hospital in Japan for two more weeks. Then transferred to Walter Reed army hospital in D.C. where I was discharged back into active duty after about a month.


We have a person here that spent even less time in Vietnam than Hanoi John Fonda Kerry.

Tell us Larry, why were you in a field hospital?

What was your job in Vietnam, what unit were you assigned to, and where was it stationed?


Larry states in several of his other posts about his 'tour' in Vietnam. Since his 'tour' was one half month shorter than Hanoi John Fonda Kerry's, if we give Larry full credit for a 'tour', shouldn't we also do the same for Hanoi John Fonda Kerry?

Pardon my french, but something smells rotten here?
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