SwiftVets.com

[mikest]

I was going to thank the admin for re-instating my account, but looking at the conversation going on I'm not sure I should

I have a question though. This topic is about Kerry being an embarrassment, however there is no mention of the situation that the current admin has gotten us into. So far we have alienated most of our allies. We have gotten into a war that's planning was so poorly thought out that although we can win it we will have a left huge mess. Every justification for the war has been lost. Our military is stretched so thin that kids will be there for years with no visible light at the end of the tunnel. Generals have resigned because they were trashed for saying we needed more than 100,000 more troops. Former allies have indicated that there could be help if we elect a new administration. We have German civilians protecting our bases in Germany because we don't have enough of our own troops there to do it ourselves.

Every day I look at the KIA list and pray my friends name's not there. He was supposed to come home next month but his tour has been extended indefinately. Every day some family has to see their kids name on the list when they were told the troops would be welcomed with flowers. And people like wolfowitz are looking at other countries like Iran and Syria as if we can go after them as well.

So why would you back Bush. Saying you don't is a cop out. Obviously there are two choices, Bush or Kerry. You dislike Kerry, I can see that and understand that many of you were hurt by him in the 70's. The only other choice is Nadar, and I'm pretty sure most of you would agree he would hurt the military more.

[carpro]

Now you're doing what you accuse me of , that is , not admitting my true affiliation. Which way do you want it?
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"If he believes his 1971 indictment of his country and his fellow veterans was true, then he couldn't possibly be proud of his Vietnam service."

[dhedges53]

Hey Sparky, forget about that Republican Carpro. He just doesn't have the sack to admit that he is a Republican. With the current administrations record, can you blame him? Although, it's nice to see people with the courage of their convictions. Like John Kerry for instance. After honourably serving his country in Vietnam, he came to the realization that the war, with it's Lieutenant Calley's and My Lai's, was wrong. He saw that 58,000 young men, who served their country with honour, died for NOTHING. John Kerry came home and tried to use his brain to figure out how to help stop the war. Now we have sniping little brainless Republican losers like Carpro and the people who put this Republican site together telling the world that an admitted draft-dodger like Bush deserves our vote more than a Vietnam Vet like Senator Kerry. I find it amusing and wonderfully ironic. Sparky, keep up the good work.

[carpro]

At least you decided to stop the name calling. Last question before I go. When you decided to come to this forum with this organizations stated objective, did you not expect to find any number of veterans who were solidly against Kerry? It sounds like you're just upset because you're not changing any minds.


Semper Fi

and adios for now.
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"If he believes his 1971 indictment of his country and his fellow veterans was true, then he couldn't possibly be proud of his Vietnam service."

[sparky]

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

[JasonBinPNW]

Chief Steffers, to clarify Mr. Kerrys position, if I may ask:

If you, as a Petty Officer or CPO, had witnessed anything that would be considred a war crime, what action would you have taken?

Further, is it even one of the duties of those who lead troops in combat to take action to prevent war crimes from occuring?

Also, is it possible for any serviceman to obtain a command or leadership station without anexcellent understanding of the Laws of War, and Geneva and Hague Conventions?

If you as a Petty Officer or CPO were found to have witnessed such activities, would you have faced some form of Judicial or Non-Judicial Disciplinary action like an Article 15 hearing?

Last: If you knew that someone senior within the command in which you were serving had "turned the other cheek" regarding proper handling of a violation of any of the laws of war, would you be obligated to remain strictly within the Chain of Command to report such violations? In other words, if you were the Skipper of a boat, and your Commanding Officer was deliberately not looking, or disregarding information pertaining to these kinds of activities, you could skip reporting it to him, and if need be anyone else directly in the Chain of Command until you reached a level sufficiently high enough to feel safe about reporting it, including stepping entirely out of the COC and reporting it to a member of Congress, or the Red Cross if need be. Is that assumption correct?

This Marine is now returning to his post.
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Semper Fi!

Jason

Proud member of "The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy"

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[carpro]

[Greenhat]

[dhedges53]

If it has webbed feet, quacks, and walks like a duck, then it is a duck. Carpro is a republican. He's just a coward without the sack to admit it. End of story. Please, go ahead and vote for that draft-dodging, Yale frat-boy. If I were John Kerry facing the horrific mess that YOUR president Dubya has left, I would withdraw from the race. There will be no winners in this country for years to come. And little Miss (Eva Braun) Navy, yea, sure you used to be a liberal. Is there not one honest Republican on this site?

[Greenhat]

Well, Hedges, if it makes you feel better, I am a Republican. Been so since 1980 (after making the mistake of voting for Jimmy Carter in 1976).

Now, as to the rest of your comments, you are going to have to work a bit to explain them. What mess is it you are referring to?

A solid economy with a low unemployment rate and the highest % of home ownership in history?

Or the ongoing war against terror which has made solid gains and continues to progress towards the long-term goal of eliminating fundamental terrorism and bringing a reformation to Islam?

Or are you just spewing bile for a lack of anything better to do?
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De Oppresso Liber

[dhedges53]

Hey, Greenboy:

#1. For 25 years, you republikans have beat us Democrats over the head with your "Balanced Budget Amendment". When we finally got it, and balanced the budget under Clinton, YOU republikans all of a sudden said, "Reagan proved we don't need to balance the budget". (Dick (head) Cheney. Your grand children, and their grand children will be paying off George Dubya Bush's deficits for decades.

#2. Even Repulikans like you are quoted as saying that the war in Iraq (as opposed to the war against terror) is the biggest strategic mistake in the history of the republikan party.

#3. Iran will have "the bomb" in 6 months. When Iran has the bomb Al-Quaeda will have the bomb. Aidios San Antonio or Phoenix or my home town, Denver. If Bush hadn't screwed up the Iraq situation, we could have found some allies to help us against the real threat, Iran. Nobody will even return Dubya's telephone calls now.

#4. Being a Republican, you idiot, I guess you don't have to worry about your retirement. In case you do, then you are aware that your IRA or 401-k has disappeared in the last 3 months, not to mention in the last 4 years. Are you better off today than when that pervert Clinton was President? If you say yes, then you're just another Republikan liar.

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

[Greenhat]