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nakona
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 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 12:17 pm Post subject: Like to see how the lefties REALLY feel about us? |
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Planning revenge if they lose.
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I am so pissed off about this I can barely see straight. So please understand that this is an emotional reaction and I apologize in advance to any DUers who are service veterans for a lot of what I am about to write.
If Bush wins we need to determine afterward what the actual percentage of the veteran's vote he actually received. And if it is 54% or close or higher (shudder) then I say don't lift a goddam finger to help when Bush further slashes their benefits AS EVERYONE KNOWS HE'S GOING TO DO. Why take this attitude? Because when it becomes evident that it's going to happen the vet groups will scream "betrayal!" Well, that won't wash. It won't be betrayal. It will be a majority of veterans getting what they asked for; George W. Bush.
When it does happen, guess who these same vet groups are going to turn to to save their benefits? Here's a hint. It won't be the Republicans. The Repubs will vote in lockstep with Bush for 4 years and that will include slashing vet benefits. I imagine only a few (McCain comes to mind) will buck Bush on this. So the vets will run to the Dems and tell them that saving their benefits is something THE DEMOCRATS HAVE TO DO. My emotional responseattitude if that percentage of vets for Bush is accurate? Let Bush shut down every goddam VA hospital in America. Let him tell veterans how the private insurance sector is better for them, more cost effective, blah blah blah. Because if you vets help elect this man to be President for 4 more years you deserve whatever screwing he wants to give you. You wished for it? Careful. You got it.
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Grampa
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Those Communist huggers have NEVER supported Veterans anyway, so their 'revenge' will hardly be any difference from their current positions.
They only mouth pro-Vet lies during election years.
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DELTREE
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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nakona,
First calm down. In the last few days I have visited a lot of sites on the Bush and Kerry Pres. Some vets and others non-vets. The way it looks
Kerry will be a no show, 10 to 100 in favor of Bush. As far as planning revenge if they lose, let them try it! The communist/socialist are always threating to do this or that; I think it is about time we get rid of those creeps once and for all. PLEASE don't get caught up in their psycho babble.
As long as there are people like the good folks here(VN VETS) you and I and a lot more, we can and will keep those commie bums in line.
You know how I fell about their threats>
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nakona
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just pointing these things out, so that anyone with any doubt about how those folks feel about us can see the truth.
BTW, could you execute your screenname at the DU root? 
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Actually, I've read the entire thread with that excerpt, and I'm struck by a few observations that have escaped these fine people.
One: the vast majority of those posting in that thread have, you guessed it, never served! Is that irony, or what?
Two: There is an aura of desperation on their part... the smell of fear permeates.
If they had a clue over there, they'd be questioning why vets haven't flocked to Kerry... and more importantly, what can Kerry do to change that. Instead, they wrongfully believe that Kerry should have inherited the veteran's vote merely because he was in the RVN for awhile.
Unfortunately for Kerry and his supporters, they fail to understand that there is much, much more to it than that. |
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xsquid
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What amazes me is that these clowns are so brainwashed buy into this stuff and totally ignore the facts that bush has increased va spending already just about as much as Klinton did in 8 years. They want to believe the propoganda machine over vets that actual use the va facilities and can say without a doubt whey they have been underfunded......like during the klinton years.
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War Dog
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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They believe only what they want to believe, select only that part of any article, report, statement, etc., that has parts that only go along with their ideas. They parse words, sentences, statements, twist the truth, etc..
Remember the main motto is: "The desired end always justifies the means employed!"
Of course the other motto is: "Deny, Lie, Parse, Attack!"
Woof!
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Airedale
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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I stopped in for a look-see.
I can't log in.
Anyway,
check out this slander at their main page
Hey,
I'm just putting it out there for all to see the type of reality they live in.
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garb1015
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| The quote that nakona posted tells me that some of the DUers might be seeing the (veteran) handwriting on the wall. Does that mean that they originally put all of their faith in his running as a war hero? And if that is the case, does that mean that they never thought his political track record was enough to stand on it's own? |
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Tad Belknap
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between Al Gore and John Kerry..............
combined they didn't complete a 12 month tour of duty in Vietnam |
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The bandit
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| Tad Belknap wrote: | between Al Gore and John Kerry..............
combined they didn't complete a 12 month tour of duty in Vietnam |
Speaking of tours, could Kerry's time on the Gridley qualify as a tour, or just a crusie? |
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Bandit, nope since the ship only pulled into Vietnam for a day, and only spent a very short time doing plane guard duty off the coast of Vietnam. When a US Navy ship goes on a WESTPAC cruise, they are gone for an average of only six months, and to be credited for a tour in Vietnam, the ship would have had to spend the entire six months in the territorial waters of Vietnam, which it did not.
Neither the time onboard the USS Gridley nor his short 4 1/2 months incountry Vietnam counted for even one tour, much less two. Sorry, but no cigar!
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PhuCat to Phu Quoc
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| War Dog wrote: | Bandit, nope since the ship only pulled into Vietnam for a day, and only spent a very short time doing plane guard duty off the coast of Vietnam. When a US Navy ship goes on a WESTPAC cruise, they are gone for an average of only six months, and to be credited for a tour in Vietnam, the ship would have had to spend the entire six months in the territorial waters of Vietnam, which it did not.
Neither the time onboard the USS Gridley nor his short 4 1/2 months incountry Vietnam counted for even one tour, much less two. Sorry, but no cigar!
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No cigar is right War Dog, and here's more.
Here's the facts War Dog. Normal cruises for Second Fleet (Atlantic) and Third Fleet (Pacific) U.S. Navy ships are, and were, generally and normally 6 months, for a long time and I believe the Navy still tries to hold to that rule. Sixth Fleet (MED) and Seventh Fleet (PAC) ships are mostly made of 2nd Fleet and 3rd Fleet ships which may augment a few forward deployed ships, e.g., the Yokosuka Battle Group. However, key vessels such as aircraft carriers often deployed longer than six months, especially during wartime or periods of increased tension, and deployments could run 7-9 months and I recall one deployed for 13 months. Second Fleet deployments to the Caribbean were generally held under six months, as those ships were also in the Atlantic/Med rotation. I did a three month cruise down there. A port and starboard rotation was striven for as a bottom line, i.e., deployed 6 months, homeport 6 months, but it frequently never worked out, and homeport stays were often shortened to redeploy. During Vietnam, certain support vessels were deployed for various longer periods, and individuals were rotated through those ships on a varying basis.
And now, on to John F. Kerry. Ever since John F. Kerry and the Terry McAwful Democrats began harping on Kerry's Vietnam war service, they keep saying "two tours in Vietnam", "two tours in Vietnam", blah, blah, blah.
With respect to Kerry's duty serving in USS Gridley, the length of assignment to a ship was and is a tour of duty. Kerry's first visit to the waters of Vietnam was not a "tour of duty", it was termed a cruise or deployment in those years. I don't have the length of Gridley's cruise with John Kerry assigned at my fingertips, so I don't really know if it was six months, or more, or less.
John Kerry's tour of duty in USS Gridley was shortened when he volunteered for Swift Boats.
Upon completion of Swift Boat training Kerry went to Vietnam and commenced his Vietnam War "tour of duty". Most U.S. Navy in-country duty assignments were set at 12 months, I was sent for 12 months and I believe all the Swifties were sent for 12 months. The rest of this part of the story is quite familiar to most people; and in summary the story is; John Kerry collected Purple Hearts for three owies, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star, and went home early, and now because John Kerry and Terry McAwful et al couldn't shut up, questions have been raised about the legitimacy of his Purple Hearts and the awards. I've said all along if Vietnam War heroism is the criteria for President, there are thousands better qualified than John Kerry.
So, John Kerry does a South China sea cruise in USS Gridley, does four intense months or so in Swift Boats, comes home and says he had two tours in Vietnam. Kerry says it in his book, and Clinton devotee and alleged historian Douglas Brinkley says it in his book about Kerry. I'm not buying it.
John Kerry can blow smoke up some fawning, starstruck historians or reporterette's ass about his wartime exploits and "two tours in Vietnam", but I'm not buying it.
Strictly speaking, John Kerry didn't do even one tour in Vietnam, although I think he was valorous in action, and here's my further position on that.
About the time John Kerry was typing his letter for three owies and out, I was arriving in Vietnam to begin the twelve month tour I volunteered for, and about the time Kerry went home to serve under an admiral, I was getting medevaced to Japan. I volunteered again in Yokosuka and fast talked my way past the detailer's ideas for my future, and returned to Vietnam. Then after the entire 12 months had elapsed, I went to Cam Ranh Bay and caught the big bird home. Using John Kerry's criteria, I could claim "two tours in Vietnam", but I don't and never have. I had no opportunity to display any more valor than just sticking to the job I was sent to do, and I'm a one tour in-country Vietnam sailor, and just barely.
In my opinion, from the viewpoint of a rank and file Vietnam War veteran, when it comes to national politics, John Kerry should have kept his mouth shut about his wartime service, and the enthusiasm of his supporters in repeating Kerry's navy record doesn't help him either -- because it all leads back to VVAW, Winter Soldier, meeting with Vietnamese communists, Congressional hearings, the gigolo lifestyle and Kerry's lackluster record in the Senate.
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PhuCat to Phu Quoc
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| War Dog wrote: | They believe only what they want to believe, select only that part of any article, report, statement, etc., that has parts that only go along with their ideas. They parse words, sentences, statements, twist the truth, etc..
Remember the main motto is: "The desired end always justifies the means employed!"
Of course the other motto is: "Deny, Lie, Parse, Attack!"
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War Dog, how about this:
"The Liberal Creed: When in danger or in doubt, run in circles; scream and shout."
Or, this:
"That depends on what the meaning of is, is."
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