SwiftVets.com

[carpro]

[Greenhat]

[Greenhat]

[sparky]

Wait a second, you're the one who made the ridiculous assertion that the Vietnamese government is claiming that US atrocities weren't widespread. It's your job to show us this isn't just something you heard in Freeperland.

Even I know that the Vietnamese government wouldn't say that. That would be like Swift Boat Veterans for Truth saying those events were widespread. Extremists will lie about whatever suits their agenda, be they VC or SBVT's.

I did find that the Vietnamese government claims the following anyway:

[sparky]

And dhedges53, don't let them drag you down into a flame war. It's exactly what they want: to avoid a substantive discussion of the issues. And when it comes to vile and juvenile name-calling, they're probably better and more experienced.

[Greenhat]

[dhedges53]

Green:

You seem to know a lot about the Vietnamese culture, I'll grant you that. However, the war was wrong and 58.000 young men, who served honourably and paid the ultimate sacrifice, died for NOTHING in your war of "liberation?" Did I understand that correctly? You have got to be kidding me. I guess we're rewriting history again. I've been to Thailand and Cambodia but never Vietnam. My draft lottery number in 1972 was 9. When I went for my preinduction physical, I was told to be ready to go in January, 1973. Nixon put a 3-month moratorium on the draft in January, and in March he extended the moratorium until the draft law expired in June. Just like George W. Bush, I would have done almost anything to stay out of Vietnam. Just like Bush, I was looking into joining another branch of the service like the Navy or the Coast Guard. The difference between Bush and Kerry is that Kerry served in Vietnam with honor. My brother worked with Bush in Midland Texas when Bush owned Harkin Oil. On a flight from Midland to Houston, while Bush was slamming down his Scotch and water, he told my brother that he had begged Bush sr. to get him out of the draft. Just like my father (also a WWII vet) told me, Bush sr. told junior to forget any help getting out of the draft. Bush sr. did help his son get into the Texas Air National Guard. I can't prove any of this to you, so take it as it's offered. You guys may have some valid points about Kerry, but I can't believe you would vote for that draft-dodger (with a history of substance abuse problems) over a man who, whether he wanted to or not, ended up serving in Vietnam with honor just to make a political point. I pray that none of the brave soldiers in Iraq can access this sad site. I know I can't convince anyone on this site because 95% of you are loyal Republicans. Non-partisan site? My ass.

Signing Off

[Greenhat]

[dhedges53]

The war in Vietnam was wrong! Bush Sr., Jr., and Ronald Reagan all said that this country would never get involved in a war by and for the politicians, like Vietnam. And all 3 presidents stated "Vietnam" by name. These are your parties people saying this. A lot of people who were around witnessing the body bags coming home in the early 70s would have said anything to get us out of Vietnam. I know you are not one of them. I know that if you were president, we would be in Vietnam to "liberate" your South Vietnamese buddies. And instead of 58,000 Americans who died for NOTHING, there would be 580,000 Americans who died for nothing. So, John Kerry's treasonous activity you refer to was coming home from a nightmare, and attempting to stop that nightmare from continuing? I guess I finally understand where you are coming from and who you are. If you had been my commanding officer there would have been new meaning to the word FRAG. But in my opinion (which I know is worth nothing to you) and what is really sad, you are assassinating the character of an honourable man who had different ideas than yours on the outcome of the Vietnam war. And you disagree with people who became disenchanted with the political war in
Vietnam. And you are doing it for one reason. Your Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'reilly, FOX Republican news network Republican politics. What is even sadder is that if the shoe were on the other foot, maybe I would be doing the same thing. I hate that about myself but thats what politics in this country has evolved into, but, like John Kerry, I hated seeing those body bags coming off the planes every single day when I watched Walter Cronkite. Never have you Republicans and my Democrats ever been so far apart dispensing the venom of partisanism as today. I'm glad I came to this site, it's been an eye opener. Good Luck

You'd vote for Ralph Nader? Yea, right.

[sparky]

Greenhate says:

[dhedges53]

If Sparky lived in Denver, I would be buying him a beer this Afternoon! Keep up the well-informed debate against the hate-mongering rhetoric, Sparky.

Cheers

[carpro]

[quote="dhedges53"]Green:

You guys may have some valid points about Kerry, but I can't believe you would vote for that draft-dodger

Just curious, did you vote for Clinton?
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"If he believes his 1971 indictment of his country and his fellow veterans was true, then he couldn't possibly be proud of his Vietnam service."

[sparky]

Hey, thanks hedges. Even after a few beers it would be a piece of cake to hold these hounds at bay.

And no, I didn't vote for the draft-dodging Bush in the last election.

[dhedges53]

Since you ask, I will absolutely give you my presidential voting record since 1972. But I think it is only fair that, since you asked me who I voted for, that you give the history of who you have voted for since the first time you voted for the Presidency. Every Republican, like you, maintains that this is a non-partisan site. Put your money where your mouth is, and then I will list how I have voted in every election.

[carpro]

Don't need it. Just Clinton, since you were talking about draft dodgers.
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"If he believes his 1971 indictment of his country and his fellow veterans was true, then he couldn't possibly be proud of his Vietnam service."