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sparky
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Capro, it's not like you can point to what you're accusing me of. It's better just to issue the smear.
Personally, I consider it a serious matter for debaters to edit out relevant parts when it changes the meaning.
I would never do that. Ever. And you know that Capro. Like a habitual smearer, you just can't help yourself. |
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 2:15 am Post subject: Re: Amnesia |
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[quote="Montana"] | Craig wrote: | I wonder how the candidates would stack up comparing amnesiac events?
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Just my ramblings...from personal experience with Reserves
and the Guard...for what it´s worth. (I´m sure I´ve overlooked
something above or left something out, but I´ll leave that
to someone else to point out)
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LOL - there has been events that years after I could not recall if it was myself who even said a thing.
There are things from my infancy I recall a couple images quite vivid even as a toddler - or pre toddler - .... oh well. I don't accuse folks a lot on their memory unless the tend to remember all my sins and none of their own - or some that is just too damned convenient. Different folks have better memories of different sorts of things. I suppose that most will more remember someone stepping on their toes than their own stepping on others. Some might more vivid remember the wrongs they have done others.
Bush doesn't remember what he was doing during some period of time. Kerry does not remember something about someone bringing up and being shut right down about assassinate folks. - I'd like to see the FBI report about that "discussion". I wonder if it was even thought important to record the name of the bozo who brought it up.
Hey! I went to John Birch Society slide show a lot of years ago. By their own standards of judging folks I should be a John bircher or sympathizer or worse.
I remember a lot of pictures with circles and arrows. No writing on the back since it was slides though.
There was very much stuff displaying a person standing in a crowd and his face was circled. Then maybe six or so people away there was another person who was circled. There was a lot of conclusions told us. I forget what they were but I assume that everyone circled was a commie or commie sympathizer or worse. |
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carpro
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: | Capro, it's not like you can point to what you're accusing me of. It's better just to issue the smear.
Personally, I consider it a serious matter for debaters to edit out relevant parts when it changes the meaning.
I would never do that. Ever. And you know that Capro. Like a habitual smearer, you just can't help yourself. |
You already have. Don't have to point to anything. Just go to end of the "Silver Star for What " thread and work your way back . Dropping the first several words of the quote you said I made made it suit your purpose. With the original words,you couldn't use it at all.
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Marine's Wife
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 8:34 am Post subject: Amnesia |
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| mikest, if I misquoted Kerry, I'll be the first to admit it. I'm going through my tapes now. As soon as I find it I will give the EXACT quote. Not that it will satisfy you. |
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Greenhat
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: |
"When Bill Clinton left office not one young American in uniform was dying in a war anywhere in this world." |
Implying that Clinton hadn't placed the US military at risk. But, of course, he had.
Soldiers died on Clinton's watch in Somalia, in Sudan, in Kosovo, etc.
Sailors died on Clinton's watch on the USS Cole, and I'm sure other places.
Civilians died on Clinton's watch in Khobar Towers, in the World Trade Center, in numerous small but significant actions by terrorists all over the world.
Are we only concerned with the young men in uniform? Or are we concerned with all Americans?
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Marine's Wife
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 10:36 am Post subject: Amnesia |
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EXACT QUOTE :" When Bill Clinton left office,not one young American in uniform was dying anywhere in this world"
So, your nit picking paid off on a couple of words.
What the Senator failed to mention was the fact that they were in harms way ALL OVER THE WORLD,including Kosovo.Thanks to Bill Clinton.
I still say Kerry ignored all the deaths under Bill Clinton's nose. I also found on other tapes,A LOT more horrible things that happened under Clinton's nose. Like all the computers that wound up in the hands of China,and N.Korea ,under Clinton/Gore,Bill Richards'noses. And I'm ready for when Kerry starts on the enviroment.
I'm not bragging or lying when I say I have a VERY LARGE video library,I've been keeping for many years. |
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mikest
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: Amnesia |
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| Marine's Wife wrote: | EXACT QUOTE :" When Bill Clinton left office,not one young American in uniform was dying anywhere in this world"
So, your nit picking paid off on a couple of words.
What the Senator failed to mention was the fact that they were in harms way ALL OVER THE WORLD,including Kosovo.Thanks to Bill Clinton.
I still say Kerry ignored all the deaths under Bill Clinton's nose. I also found on other tapes,A LOT more horrible things that happened under Clinton's nose. Like all the computers that wound up in the hands of China,and N.Korea ,under Clinton/Gore,Bill Richards'noses. And I'm ready for when Kerry starts on the enviroment.
I'm not bragging or lying when I say I have a VERY LARGE video library,I've been keeping for many years. |
Or all of the WMD ingrediants we gave Saddam while Reagan was in office. I'm sure ypu've seen the picture of a smiling Rummy shakin Saddams hand.
What's your name over at Free Republic? |
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Greenhat
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Amnesia |
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| mikest wrote: |
Or all of the WMD ingrediants we gave Saddam while Reagan was in office. |
You mean the samples of Anthrax provided by the Center for Disease Control?
You have actually looked at the list of what Saddam bought and from where, haven't you? And you have done enough research to actually understand what those things are and what uses (both military and civilian) they can be put to? Right?
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sparky
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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When you accuse someone of altering quotations, you're obligated to at least point to where they did this.
Carpo can't. True to form, as a proud member of the smear brigades, offering the smear without an example is enough for him and his fellow-smear-mongers.
As for Kerry's quote, I take issue with falsely quoting him. That's the kind of thing extremists and whackos do. Kerry never said "Not one soldier died anywhere in this world, under President Clinton's watch." That's the kind of crap I expect from the Teheran Times, Pravda, or Al Jezeera.
Man, I'd be so embarassed, Marines Wife, for posting such a blatant and dishonorable untruth. You guys are always paying lip-service to honor. Where'd it go?
(Note Carpo, the actual quote was easily provided to give credibility to my claim). |
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carpro
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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The accusation stands, you old quote changer , you.
You know where the proof is and so does anyone else who is paying attention.
Did you ever find out where that 50 Cal. M-16 came from?
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sparky
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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It never "stood" and won't until you show where I changed quotes.
Do you really think everyone here is so easily manipulated that you can make the accusation without even showing the quote? |
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carpro
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: | It never "stood" and won't until you show where I changed quotes.
Do you really think everyone here is so easily manipulated that you can make the accusation without even showing the quote? |
Its already been proven and of course,you know that, so why bother?
50 Cal. M-16 ?????
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sparky
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Proven in your own mind and nowhere else. You're a day late and a dollar short when it comes to showing where I misquoted as well as where you proved it.
But like all smears, you think that repeating it will make it stick. |
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carpro
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't keep repeating it if you would quit bragging about it.
50 Cal. M-16????????
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sparky
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Now you're saying that I misquoted something about m-16's? Sheesh!
Does anyone here have the slightest idea what Carpro is claiming I misquoted? |
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