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hist/student
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unabashed comprehensive retraction
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sparky
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Carpo, you make me laugh! First you suggest that we lost Iran because Carter was too soft on human rights abuses and then when I point out the implications to this, you act so surprised.
Was Carter wrong to stress human rights? After all, if human rights made us lose Iran, just think what it might do to Iraq in the age of digital cameras! Should we not make the same mistake again? |
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carpro
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 12:58 am Post subject: |
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No one else on this thread seems to have a problem understanding what is going on, O Mighty One.
This type of discussion doesn't lend itself to your partisan rhetoric, O Sparkless One.
Your rhetoric reminds me of good old communist invective against the West. Not that you are a communist. Just the rhetoric. Always the same . Tired. Unoriginal. Worn out. Repetitive. Nonsense.
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sparky
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Pretty simple questions, Carpo. In light of your early posts where you suggested that Carter's human rights emphasis caused all these problems, I just gotta ask you again:
Was Carter wrong to stress human rights? Did we lose Iran because we didn't let the Shah continue with his torture and disappearances? (I put your original quote at the bottom of this post just so you won't try to weasel out of your original statements)
Were human rights concerns also a mistake in Vietnam? Did being "soft" on human rights contribute to our losing the war?
Amusingly enough, here's something on this very topic:
According to a St. Petersburg Times reporter, Brigadier General Janice Karpinski declared in December 2003: "Living conditions now are better in prison than at home... At one point we were concerned they wouldn't want to leave." (the prisoners, that is).
| carpro wrote: | Just a thought.
If Carter had not let the Shah of Iran, a staunch US ally, be toppled, Saddam Hussein would never have grown hair on his chest and we wouldn't be where we are now.
Fanatic religious zeolots in charge of Iran.
War in Iraq.
Whadda ya think?
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I believe [Carter] urged the shah not to clamp down on the dissent in the interest of human rights.
The shah, being a loyal ally, did what Carter suggested. Radicals took Americans hostage and the rest is history.
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