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Hillary Clinton: I Tried to Join the Marines
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pardon me I forget, were we in the don't ask and don't tell days of the military in 1975?

Maybe she told.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I donno. Fairy tales begin "Once upon a time",
and sea stories begin "Now this ain't no lie."
Kerry at least actually did serve on active duty
so there is at least a minimum of background in his
"Tour of Duty" book. I don't know much about life
on Swift Boats, but I do know something about a
WESTPAC cruise on a destroyer. Yeah, it's BS. He
greatly inflates his participation in the events
around him. Personnaly, I like to throw out stuff
and have the other guy finish the story. You get
a MUCH better view of what actually happened with
other people telling what they know. Ah well.

Hillary's little sea story about a Marine Recruiter
seems to have come straight out of that Goldie Hawn
movie "Private Benjamin". At least the recruiter
didn't promise her a condo on base. Good Grief.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to bring this up, no offense intended to anyone... but women seem to be the most deceptive and sly (best word I can think of is in Japanese and there is no exact translation.. zurui)...

They would be great for making battle plans (as long as they have been in them).. and I'm NOT saying they can't!

Have a good field team so everyone (men/women) is covered and covering, and you have 1 awsome team... difference is that women are born to protect and survive.. and men are born to be aggressive and survive to make offspring Razz


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AND THE KICKER:

"Because we all love the military so much," Mr. Clinton interjected helpfully.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhantomSgt wrote:
Pardon me I forget, were we in the don't ask and don't tell days of the military in 1975?

Maybe she told.

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Got that one right Phantom not to mention that she was a young marxist during her college days. Marxist enough at Yale that UC Berkely paid her travel exp to speak and organized.

Marine corps enlistee
Marxist organizer
Christian......................Geez
Presidential candidate.................give me a break.

If Americans buy this in 08 Michael Moore may be right, "the dumbest people on the face of the earth".


I'm waiting for additional newprint:
I smoked marijuana but didn't inhale or Al Gore's,"a bullet went passed me one day".
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minimal timeline – looking for that hillary in the 70s that wanted to enlist in the military -- it doesn’t look very good….unless she made a side trip to the recruiter’s office in between teaching & running a legal clinic and marrying bill… Shocked

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---In high school Clinton … was the winner of Maine South High School's first social science award.

---After graduation, she attended Wellesley College in Wellesley, Massachusetts, at a time when American college campuses were actively protesting the Vietnam War.

---1970: Clinton next attended Yale Law School in New Haven, Connecticut, where she … met two of the most influential people in her life: Bill Clinton and Marian Wright Edelman. (Hillary: “Bill Clinton was hard to miss in the autumn of 1970. He arrived at Yale Law School..”)

---1972: Hillary: “After school ended in the spring of 1972, I returned to Washington to work again for Marian Wright Edelman. Bill took a full-time job with the McGovern campaign.”

---1972: She had joined him in Texas during the McGovern campaign of 1972, where he was a paid member of Gary Hart's staff, and she was a vote registrar for the Democratic National Committee. (“Beginning of the Road,” by Garry Wills, 7/20/92, TimeMag archives)

---1972: Hillary: “A botched break-in at Democratic Committee offices at the Watergate complex on June 17, 1972, would lead to the downfall of Richard Nixon. It would also figure in my future plans.”

---1973: Hillary: “After completing law school in the spring of 1973, Bill took me on my first trip to Europe to revisit his haunts as a Rhodes Scholar.”

---1973: After graduation in 1973, Bill Clinton and Hillary Rodham went their separate ways. Soon afterward, she went to Washington, D.C., to work on the impeachment inquiry of President Richard Nixon following his involvement in the Watergate cover-up,

---1974: …when she left Washington in 1974 to join Bill Clinton in Arkansas, she probably thought the move was only temporary; he was, after all, already running for Congress. (“An Interview with Hillary Rodham Clinton “We’ve Had Some Good Times” by Margaret Carlson, 5/10/93 –TimeMag archives)

---1974: ....as the 1974 race approached, the popular Congressman from that area, John Paul Hammerschmidt, strongly vouched for Nixon, who was under fire for the Watergate offenses. Clinton knew, from his close friend Hillary Rodham, how vulnerable Nixon was to impeachment -- she had accepted the offer to work on the staff that he refused. The two were visiting each other, back and forth between Washington and Fayetteville, and spending long hours on the telephone. He was kept informed of her work, of her virtual certitude that Nixon would be convicted in the Senate after the House impeached him. <..> Hillary Rodham came to Arkansas to help with the campaign, and -- when the House staff disbanded after Nixon's resignation -- she took up an offer the dean had made her, to come teach and run a legal clinic at Fayetteville. <…> (“Beginning of the Road,” by Garry Wills, 7/20/92, TimeMag archives)

---1974: Hillary took a teaching job at the University of Arkansas Law School.

---1975: Hillary: “Gee, now it was probably 19 years ago - in 1975, I decided that I was very interested in having some experience in serving in some capacity in the military. … So I walked into our local recruiting office,…” She remembered telling the recruiter, “I wanted to explore - I didn't know whether I thought active duty would be a good idea, reserve, you know, maybe National Guard, something along those lines.”….

---1975: Keeping her maiden name, she married Bill Clinton in 1975. She continued to teach and headed the legal aid clinic at the school.

---1977: …she joined the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock, Arkansas, within two years becoming the firm's first woman partner.

SOURCE and SOURCE
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Can anyone spot the non sequitur above?

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Main Entry: non se•qui•tur
Pronunciation: 'nän-'se-kw&-t&r also -"tur”
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, it does not follow
1 : an inference that does not follow from the premises; specifically : a fallacy resulting from a simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent
2 : a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from anything previously said


David Horowitz has a really good article on Hillary that helps one to understand how she could make such an outrageous & ridiculous claim:
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Hillary Clinton and "The Third Way" How America's First Lady of the Left Has Bamboozled Liberals and Conservatives Alike
By David Horowitz, FrontPageMag, 6/22/00

(excerpts)
My subject is Hillary Clinton in her role as America's foremost leftist.<…> The first truth about leftist missionaries, about believing progressives, is that they are liars. But they are not liars in the ordinary way, which is to say by choice. They are liars by necessity—often without even realizing that they are. Because they also lie to themselves. It is the political lie that gives their cause its life. <….>

It is because America is a democracy and the people endorse it, that the left's anti-American, but "progressive" agendas can only be achieved by deceiving the people. This is the cross the left has to bear: The better world is only achievable by lying to the very people they propose to redeem. <…>

How can there be a communist left (small "c" of course) without a Communist Party? The short answer is that it was not the Communist Party that made the left, but the (small 'c') communist Idea. It is the idea, as old as the Tower of Babel, that humanity can build a highway to Heaven. <…> The intoxicating vision of a social redemption achieved by Them—this is what creates the left, and makes the believers so self-righteous. ….. It is this same idea that is found in the Social Gospel which impressed the youthful Hillary Clinton at the United Methodist Church in Park Ridge, Illinois. She later encountered the same idea in the New Left at Yale and in the Venceremos Brigade in Communist Cuba, and in the writings of the New Leftist who introduced her to the "politics of meaning" even after she had become America's First Lady. It is the idea that drives her comrades in the Children's Defense Fund, the National Organization for Women, the Al Sharpton House of Justice and the other progressive causes which for that reason still look to her as a political leader. <…>

The left is like a millenarian sect that erroneously predicted the end of the world, and now must regroup to revitalize its faith. <…> Because the transformation progressives seek is ultimately total, the power they seek must be total as well. <…> In short, the transformation of the world requires the permanent entrenchment of the saints in power. Therefore, everything is justified that serves to achieve the continuance of Them. <…>

In Peggy Noonan's psychological portrait of Hillary Clinton, one can trace the outlines of the progressive persona I have just described. …. Clinton-era liberalism is manipulative and deceptive and not really interested in what real people think because "they might think the wrong thing." <….> "In their way of thinking," Noonan observes of the Clintons, "America is an important place, but not a thing of primary importance. America is the platform for the Clintons' ambitions, not the focus of them."

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TRIVIA: In looking up a timeline on hillary to see what she was up to in the 70s, I ran across the following bit of information that is unrelated to this topic – I don’t follow her goings-on so maybe this is common knowledge, but I didn’t know that her brother is married to Boxer’s daughter: Shocked

Are Hillary’s Brothers Driving Off Course?”
by Viveca Novak & Jay Branegan, 11/1/99 (TimeMag archives/by subscription)

They're known as "The Boys." So close have Tony and Hugh Rodham been to their sister Hillary Rodham Clinton that they tagged along on the Clintons' 1975 honeymoon. <….> By all accounts, Hillary's two brothers are colorful, likable men. At 45, Tony has a job history that includes stints as an insurance salesman, a prison guard,<…> Five years ago, he married Nicole Boxer, daughter of California Senator Barbara Boxer, in an elegant Rose Garden ceremony. <….>

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Beatrice1000"]Minimal timeline – looking for that hillary in the 70s that wanted to enlist in the military -- it doesn’t look very good….unless she made a side trip to the recruiter’s office in between teaching & running a legal clinic and marrying bill… Shocked

Great work Beatrice! Anyone buying into this lie has to be void of any critical thinking skill.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to agree with Klein's assessment of this "trip to the recruiting station," if it ever existed.

A stint in the military would add to future political credentials. And that's the ONLY reason that an anti-war socialist could EVER be persuaded to join the military.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gmez2001 wrote:
PhantomSgt wrote:
Pardon me I forget, were we in the don't ask and don't tell days of the military in 1975?

Maybe she told.

Cool Cool Cool



Got that one right Phantom not to mention that she was a young marxist during her college days. Marxist enough at Yale that UC Berkely paid her travel exp to speak and organized.

Marine corps enlistee
Marxist organizer
Christian......................Geez
Presidential candidate.................give me a break.

If Americans buy this in 08 Michael Moore may be right, "the dumbest people on the face of the earth".


I'm waiting for additional newprint:
I smoked marijuana but didn't inhale or Al Gore's,"a bullet went passed me one day".


Sorry I was commenting on her sexual persuasion, not her politics. You really don't like Hilliary I gather. I guess you won't be attending her fund raisers.

Laughing Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

During the Clinton administration, it was Hillary that insisted that military personnel did not wear their uniforms when in the White House. The rule was that if you had to wear one, and happened to be in a hallway at the same time as her, you had to duck into a nearby office as she passed. If there was no office to duck in to, you were to avoid making eye contact with her. She also once told an officer, a general I think, not to speak to her unless spoken to. This was after he bid her good morning as they passed in the hallway! Sounds like a lover of the military!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Navy_Navy_Navy wrote:
I tend to agree with Klein's assessment of this "trip to the recruiting station," if it ever existed.

A stint in the military would add to future political credentials. And that's the ONLY reason that an anti-war socialist could EVER be persuaded to join the military.


Like John F. Kerry joining the Navy as his grand scheme to be the next JFK.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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: The better world is only achievable by lying to the very people they propose to redeem. <…>


This is the crux of my problem with those who call themselves 'Democrats' today. In the classic definition of what a democrat is and what a Aristocrat is, they operate as Aristocrats. A ellite 'gifted' group who need to tell the rest of us plebians what to do.

Well it did'nt work out too good in Johnson's great society did it?


Demo...A combining form. From the Greek 'from the populace'
Crat.....(after the Greek 'Krates') after a class or form or type of Government.

Aristo---- Greek, meaning best.




The coloured highlights are from my Websters New International Dictionary, second edition 1959. This is a book hillary don't want the populace to read.


Aristocrat the best of us rule.... by hook or crook... i.e. Hillary Clinton making up stories about vonunteering!! What a god damn joke that would be.

Democrat----- The populace rules..... i.e. You win a ellection, voted in by the people ..... you rule. That would be George Bush and those of us who chose by our own free will not to vote for Comrade Kerry.... the decorated war hero.

As the Democrits pursue the attacks on what clients this Supreme Court nominee has had in the past..... Do not forget Hillary's Law firm in AK were the general counsuls to Wallmart. A company known to profit by near slave labor in Asia and the rest of the third world.

Wallmart is a recent cause of many democrits these days. Makes for some entertaining, yet distressing contradictions in conduct and logic.

Hillary a man of the people. Volunteer to the marines. Right! and I am the wizard of OZ! Hillary's in red, I'm in black and white.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hillary is now fighting to have a video game company change the rating on one of their games from mature to adult only. The game apparently has a sex scene in it, so you may or may not agree with her stance on this. However, she is the last person who would take such a stand, unless she was trying to appear to be a moderate. She is start her preparations for 2008 early. Looks like the same tactics that Slick Willy used.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, speaking of Slick Willy - he was interviewed on the Today Show (by Katie Couric, of course) this morning, and he clearly had a shortness of breath when he talked. Not sure what his health is like but it didn't sound too good.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

davman wrote:
trying to appear to be a moderate.
Yes I can see her now with her pals lounging around sipping expensive wine and brainstorming on ways we can fool them today. Several years back it was I wanted to be a leather neck. Today I am on a moral campaign against the video game industry. It will be fun to see what she comes up with next. As she said back in the 92' campaign "I am no stand by my man Tammy Wynette kind of women" on 60 minutes during the Paula Jones fire storm. Any women with a shred of dignity would have dumped her man that had his stuff show up on an underlings dress.
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