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[DevilDon]

Little did I know you'd try to compare my forgiveness with that of the Creator. Like as I might, I've not found myself parallelled with the Lord of the Universe in forgiveness, but I continue to try.

It seems special that you've found the greatest example of goodness and truth to compare me to when I've just said that I expect more from the man I would like to elect president of the greatest nation in the history of the world. Ironic isn't it?

I expect more from Senators as well, I expect more from officers of the Unites States of America and I expect more from a common man who shared the experiences of Vietnam. John F. Kerry should be slapped upside the head by his fellow Vietnam Vets for "throwing them under the bus" and most clearly not elected to the highest office in the land.

You see Tiger, I hold no grudge, I wasn't there, I was an enlisted man who served from 1978 to 1981. My anger here is that a man who would just as soon throw out the very tenet of military cohesiveness..... the "brother's in arms" he speaks of or "esprit de corps" to further his personal gains has instantly become a man of selfish means. A selfish man by his very definition cannot care more about me and the nation.

One last note... when you said "Forgiveness does not come with exceptions" did you mean to say "Forgiveness DOES come with exceptions"? or "Forgiveness does not come without exceptions"? Because the example you use is the very vehicle by which many of us find it in ourselves to forgive.

So by your example, I should be God-like and forgive the deaths of thousands (maybe hundreds, maybe tens) of my brethren who died as a result of John F. Kerry's traitorous laments. God had to only forgive one death, we've many, and on top of that......we're human. So F--k Y--!

As I see it, there's no validity to your post at all. You expect me to absolve John F. Kerry for his betrayal to his brother's in arms due to impudence and youth. You imply that holding grudges will increase middle east atrocities and school shootings.

Don't you think it's a stretch to compare angry vets who don't want ONE SINGLE MAN to lead this country to the beheading of the young American? Can you please illustrate in simple language for all of us to understand, how the anger of the vets here who lived the life translates into school shootings?

In fact sir, I find it reprehensible that you'd even offer such a comparison. "Holding grudges" as you seem to call it, instills a sense of violence, which is not going on here at all. It seems you have used all the angry adjectives you can use on this subject so I'll pose you one question.

If forgiveness is indeed your quest, why can't John F. Kerry admit he was wrong in the public audience? Why can't people get past that this thread is not about George Bush at all? I'd be willing to bet this site would never have gotten started without the ambition of many great men (and PATRIOTS) if the Democratic party had nominated another man.

If you'd further discussion on this, please refraid from the tired old motions of George W's "lies" because we're not here to talk about George. Let's let it be about JFK, the intent of the debate here.

And by the way, if you'd rather this be about religion, and you're secure enough in your conviction, feel free to contact me Tiger at ibdong@hotmail.com . Looking forward to your reply.

[DougReese]

[95 bxl]

The problem I have with Kerry supporters is this: If every allegation listed WERE true... it wouldn't make any difference.

This has never been a question of who is best for president for most democrats. They're primarily driven by hatred as opposed to issues... for if they were, Kerry's failure to address issues with specific courses of action would have kept him from getting any support.

Thus, the ability for democrats and ultra-leftists to support a self-confessed war criminal... by people who trumpet his war service now, but who had no problem voting for a draft dodging coward in 92 and 96... a coward who was up against two inarguably proven warriors... is more a factor of emotion then it is common sense.

This is, for me, the basic hypocrisy of the typical Kerry supporter. Kerry's Vietnam service in no way approaches his post Vietnam actions, designed to undermine our efforts there while slandering every man and woman who ever set foot in the place wearing a US uniform, is far more important to me.

Kerry's service during the war to democrats should be of no greater importance then Clinton's cowardice. Thus, I ascribe no credit to him for it vis the question of his suitability for the Presidency... nor should anyone else.

[Greenhat]

[tigerflyboy]

Forgiveness is forgiveness there is no exceptions to the rule. You don't put rule on forgiveness. ie "I'd be willing to forgive him if he just apoloigized for the things he said when he returned.

I said that, and I mean that, I don't hold Bush's lack of service against him, I don't begrudge him being a smart (well maybe that) slick business man. anybody that can take $5000 and turn it into $150,000 is smart in some way.

I just don't happen to think his direction for this country is the right one. Is Kerry's? We'll have to wait and see. But he can't do any worse that Bush has done.
People out of work, gas almost $3/gal. Major supports (Enron, Halliburton with questionable business dealings), lying about the reason for going to war.

People make mistakes but, be Damn if Bush will admit he's ever made one. Wonder what he'd have to say about the 3 companies he run out of business when he first started out? Suppose that was not his fault either.

[Greenhat]

[PhuCat to Phu Quoc]

[Drew Merkel]

"Most on this site hold Kerry to a higher standard than themselves, by continuing to critise him for comments for over 30 yrs ago."

John F. Kerry has not shown any evidence of change or maturation over the last 30 years. A man who did not command his swift boat worthily is not the one to lead the ship of state. His interests were never for the country. They were always self-serving.

A man who could so quickly change his allegiance to the nation he was sworn to protect is not the man we need or want in the Oval Office.

Just because we have treacherous times does not mean we put a man of treachery into office.

[War Dog]

Tigerflyboy, we are still waiting for you to tell us what you did in the AF, when you were in, where you were stationed.

I'm not going to condemn or condone you or what you have said. I firmly disagree with you and your factless attacks on President Bush.

I too disagree with many of President Bush and his Administration's actions, espically when it comes to treatment of our Veterans, Retired Veterans and Disabled Veterans are concerned. But, in my opinion, and my opinion only, voting for the traitor John Fonda Kerry is the wrong way to go in this election.

Despite the faults of President Bush and his Administration towards the Military and our Veterans, putting John Fonda Kerry in office would totally damage our military and veterans. The only thing that John Fonda Kerry cares about is himself, his quest for power, his socialistic views, turning control of this nation over to the United Nations.

Of the two men running for the Office of President of the United States, George W. Bush is the lesser of two evils!

Woof!
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[PhuCat to Phu Quoc]

[War Dog]

PhuCat to Phu Quoc, excellent post! Bravo!

To me, John Fonda Kerry is no different than Jane Friggin Fonda, and the rest of the communist socialists traitors in the VVAW and the anti-war movement.

"Those who understand, understand!
Those who do not understand, will never understand!"

Woof![/b]
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