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mikest
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| Quote: | | I noticed you couldn't resist the nasty little comment about Fox. That is the only reliable source we have. ABC,CBS,NBC, CNN, MSNBC,CNBC, The Times and ALL the big dailys have been covering the Liberals behind for years. |
A study has shown that Fox is the most unreliable.
| Quote: | Posted on Thu, Oct. 02, 2003
Study: Wrong impressions helped support Iraq war
By FRANK DAVIES
Knight Ridder Newspapers
WASHINGTON - A majority of Americans have held at least one of three mistaken impressions about the U.S.-led war in Iraq, according to a new study released Thursday, and those misperceptions contributed to much of the popular support for the war.
The three common mistaken impressions are that:
U.S. forces found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
There's clear evidence that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein worked closely with the Sept. 11 terrorists.
People in foreign countries generally either backed the U.S.-led war or were evenly split between supporting and opposing it.
Overall, 60 percent of Americans held at least one of those views in polls reported between January and September by the Program on International Policy Attitudes, based at the University of Maryland in College Park, and the polling firm, Knowledge Networks based in Menlo Park, Calif.
"While we cannot assert that these misperceptions created the support for going to war with Iraq, it does appear likely that support for the war would be substantially lower if fewer members of the public had these misperceptions," said Steven Kull, who directs Maryland's program.
In fact, no weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq. U.S. intelligence has found no clear evidence that Saddam was working closely with al-Qaida or was involved in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Gallup polls found large majorities opposed to the war in most countries.
PIPA's seven polls, which included 9,611 respondents, had a margin of error from 2 to 3.5 percent.
The analysis released Thursday also correlated the misperceptions with the primary news source of the mistaken respondents. For example, 80 percent of those who said they relied on Fox News and 71 percent of those who said they relied on CBS believed at least one of the three misperceptions.
The comparable figures were 47 percent for those who said they relied most on newspapers and magazines and 23 percent for those who said they relied on PBS or National Public Radio.The reasons for the misperceptions are numerous, Kull and other analysts said.
They noted that the Bush administration had misstated or exaggerated some of the intelligence findings, with Bush himself saying in May: "We found the weapons of mass destruction … and we'll find more as time goes by."
The Bush administration has also been a factor in persistent confusion.
Last month, for example, Bush said there was no evidence that Saddam was involved in the Sept. 11 attack after Vice President Dick Cheney suggested a link. Cheney, in a "Meet the Press" interview, had described Iraq as "the geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9-11."
Why some news audiences had more accurate impressions than others was less clear.
Kull cited instances in which TV and newspapers gave prominent coverage to reports that banned weapons might have been found in Iraq, but only modest coverage when those reports turned out to be wrong.
Susan Moeller, a University of Maryland professor, said that much reporting had consisted of "stenographic coverage of government statements," with less attention to whether the government's statements were accurate.
The study found that belief in inaccurate information often persisted, and that misconceptions were much more likely among backers of the war. Last month, as in June, for example, nearly a quarter of those polled thought banned weapons had been found in Iraq. Nearly half thought in September that there was clear evidence that Saddam had worked closely with al-Qaida.
Among those with one of the three misconceptions, 53 percent supported the war. Among those with two, 78 percent supported it. Among those with three, 86 percent backed it. By contrast, less than a quarter of those polled who had none of the misconceptions backed the war.
On the Web:
To review the study, go to http://www.pipa.org |
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Grampa
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"U.S. forces found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."
The world community all KNEW Saddam had chemical weapons. Now we have had them used in attempted ambushes. You cannot pretend that they don't exist now. Most likely the balance of them are in Syria or Jordan.
"There's clear evidence that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein worked closely with the Sept. 11 terrorists."
The German intell arm reported that Mohamed Atta met with Iraqs spy chief in 2001. NEXT!
"People in foreign countries generally either backed the U.S.-led war or were evenly split between supporting and opposing it. "
Who cares what the Euro-weenies think? Our country was attacked by a network of terrorists that have been aided and abetted by Middle Eastern Governments for the last 30+ years. It's time for them to pay the piper.
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mikest
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| Thanks for proving my point. The Saddam/Atta link has been discredited by many. The shell is a far cry from tons of sarin and anthrax, and the tests aren't back yet, and the world opinion was just a data point. Next |
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Grampa
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According to the House Armed Services Committee, "By Hussein’s own admission, Iraq possessed thousands of chemical weapons and tons of chemical weapon agents:
• Some 4,000 tons of ingredients to produce poison gas, including sarin.
• 550 artillery shells filled with mustard gas.
• At least 3.9 tons of VX, a deadly nerve gas, and 805 tons of precursor ingredients for the production of more VX.
• 8,500 liters of anthrax.
• 500 bombs fitted with parachutes for the purpose of delivering poison gas or germ payloads.
• 107,500 casings for chemical weapons.
• At least 157 aerial bombs filled with germ agents.
• 25 missile warheads containing germ agents (anthrax, aflatoxin, and botulinum).
"In each case, Hussein claimed to have destroyed the weapons and materials of mass destruction in accordance with U.N. resolutions. But the regime, which kept tens of thousands of pages of detailed information about its illegal weapons of mass destruction programs, offered no proof of their destruction—not a piece of paper convincingly documenting the alleged destruction, not a dismantlement site, not a single smashed chemical warfare bomb."
Besides, your narrow criteria ignores the 300,000 to 1,000,000 of his own citizens killed by Saddam. But, like most leftists, you don't care to be involved in saving Arabs from brutality and mass murder from other Arabs, especially if it means a boost to a Republican administration.
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| mikest wrote: | | Thanks for proving my point. The Saddam/Atta link has been discredited by many. The shell is a far cry from tons of sarin and anthrax, and the tests aren't back yet, and the world opinion was just a data point. Next |
There is a lot of evidence of Hussein/Al Qaeda and Hussein/terrorist ties.
http://www.techcentralstation.com/092503F.html
I don't think anybody expected to find vast warehouses of sarin or other chemicals. Enough sarin to kill everyone in the country could have been stored in a suitcase.
And the case for WMD is still being made:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38213
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38447
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mikest
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Besides, your narrow criteria ignores the 300,000 to 1,000,000 of his own citizens killed by Saddam. But, like most leftists, you don't care to be involved in saving Arabs from brutality and mass murder from other Arabs, especially if it means a boost to a Republican administration. |
heh. From a group that loves a woman who says invade them all and convert them to Christianity, that's quite funny. If this was so important to you and the administration, why wasn't it used for the primary justification of the war? |
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mikest
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Worldnetdaily, the paradigm of unbiased accurate reporting. |
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mikest
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| mikest wrote: | | Worldnetdaily, the paradigm of unbiased accurate reporting. |
That's the reason I never quote ** or Democrats.com. Why use sourses that are just as frequently wrong as right, if not more so? |
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mikest, you just NEVER pull your head out of your butt long enough to READ, or see the videos we've given many links to.
Stop getting your "talking points" from the LIBS, and join the REAL world.! |
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sparky
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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NNN is right... the case for WMD's is still being made.
On Worldnetdaily.
Bwahahahahahaah!
I've noticed a pattern here: those on the left are relying on legitimate sources and those on the right are relying on NewsMax or Worldnetdaily. They just have no shame! |
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: |
I've noticed a pattern here: those on the left are relying on legitimate sources and those on the right are relying on NewsMax or Worldnetdaily. |
What's wrong with NewsMax or WND?
They are openly conservative in their editorial position. They exist because our mainstream partisan media does not provide both sides of the story. WND is here giving you the other side of the leftists' screeching rallying cry of "No WMD's!!!!"
As opposed to the alphabet networks, LATimes, NYTimes, Washington Post who all DENY their liberal bias past all rational and logical proof to the contrary, NewsMax and WND are up front about their editorial slant.
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fortdixlover
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| Grampa wrote: | According to the House Armed Services Committee, "By Hussein’s own admission, Iraq possessed thousands of chemical weapons and tons of chemical weapon agents:
• Some 4,000 tons of ingredients to produce poison gas, including sarin.
• 550 artillery shells filled with mustard gas.
• At least 3.9 tons of VX, a deadly nerve gas, and 805 tons of precursor ingredients for the production of more VX.
• 8,500 liters of anthrax.
• 500 bombs fitted with parachutes for the purpose of delivering poison gas or germ payloads.
• 107,500 casings for chemical weapons.
• At least 157 aerial bombs filled with germ agents.
• 25 missile warheads containing germ agents (anthrax, aflatoxin, and botulinum).
"In each case, Hussein claimed to have destroyed the weapons and materials of mass destruction in accordance with U.N. resolutions. But the regime, which kept tens of thousands of pages of detailed information about its illegal weapons of mass destruction programs, offered no proof of their destruction—not a piece of paper convincingly documenting the alleged destruction, not a dismantlement site, not a single smashed chemical warfare bomb."
Besides, your narrow criteria ignores the 300,000 to 1,000,000 of his own citizens killed by Saddam. But, like most leftists, you don't care to be involved in saving Arabs from brutality and mass murder from other Arabs, especially if it means a boost to a Republican administration. |
Intelligence test for liberals/leftists:
1. Man has cache of guns and weapons.
2. Man uses cache to kill a lot of people; gets away with iton technicalities.
3. Man is told he must get rid of cache.
4. Man says he will.
5. Man says cache all gone.
6. Brothers-in-law of man go to cops and reveal where hidden goodies (someof the weapons) are.
7. Cops find the goodies, but man gets off on technicalities.
8. Man says he will welcome brothers-in-law back as friends.
9. Man has both brothers-in-law murdered as soon as they return.
10. Man says he has no cache.
Pick one, and only one:
A) Man is being honest and has disposed of cache secretly.
B) Man is being dishonest and has cache.
C) Bush LIED!!!!!!
p.s. the man above is Saddam Hussein. |
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mikest
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="fortdixlover"] | Grampa wrote: |
Pick one, and only one:
A) Man is being honest and has disposed of cache secretly.
B) Man is being dishonest and has cache.
C) Bush LIED!!!!!!
p.s. the man above is Saddam Hussein. |
| Quote: | fortdixlover wrote:
My worst fear:
Kerry wins. Then Al Queda nukes NY, as they said they'd like to. Kerry declares Martial Law.
This would give the Left the perfect opportunity to fulfill its agenda by force:
The end of free enterprise. Government control of industry and the economy.
Confiscation of private firearms.
Suspension of Freedom of Speech; jail or worse for politically incorrect speech.
Suspension of that pesky document, the Constitution.
Thought-Reform camps.
Socialist-level taxation.
U.S. military put under U.N. rule, as Kerry once opined, at the mercy of U.N. corruption and its tyrants.
Antisemitic persecution (judenhass for those who want to play the "semitism" wordgame), per the Left's current pet hatred, and the abandonment of Israel.
and so forth.
Even worse nightmare:
At the behest of all the left-wing groups funded by the Heinz foundation, the left might set up such a sequence of events deliberately. When far leftists come to power, they try to consolidate their grip on power at all costs.
Too funny. I fear people like you gaining power far more than any of what you have here.
Would your freedom of speech claim include "free speech zones" used by this admin to keep protesters miles away from Bush? Or maybe the prosecution of the protester at an airport by Strom Thurmonds son? Or is that OK because it's against someone on the left?
Suspension pf the Constitution is already happening. We'll have to see how the Supremes rule on that.
Thoght reform camps. Would that be Fox news?
Guns will not be taken away. I don't like guns much myself, but I will fight for my friends right to have them. I'm not sure you should have any though.
Your worst fear is a joke. The GOP has accomplished much of this in Congress already. Oversight is minimul, there is no input on legislation let alone negotiation. Even though the GOP platform in 2000 said that jerrymandering(sp?) was wrong, they have made a fine art of it including using Homeland security to find the dems in Texas. |
Almost 72 hours ago I asked these questions of that loveable coward from the 101st fighting keyboard drigade. Bring the typical coward that that particular branch of the non-military enthusiasts produces, he has remained silent. Any bets on when he will answer? |
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mikest
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No answers.
Back to the whole reason I started this thread. Chalabi, who Cheney had flown into Iraq after the fighting started, has been working wih the Iranians for years. If you don't know what he looks like, look at the picture of Laura Bush at the State of The Union address. He's the guy on her right.
This one isn't necessasarily Bush's fault , but it will be interesting to see if he fires anyone who pushed so hard to have Chalabi in charge. If Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz or Feith are still employed after this, it is a disgrace. I don't expect him to replace Cheney on the ticket, but something has to be done. Word of this has been going around for a while, yet these people backed him up until this past week.
| Quote: | Agency: Chalabi group was front for Iran
BY KNUT ROYCE
WASHINGTON BUREAU
May 21, 2004, 7:29 PM EDT
WASHINGTON -- The Defense Intelligence Agency has concluded that a U.S.-funded arm of Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress has been used for years by Iranian intelligence to pass disinformation to the United States and to collect highly sensitive American secrets, according to intelligence sources.
"Iranian intelligence has been manipulating the United States through Chalabi by furnishing through his Information Collection Program information to provoke the United States into getting rid of Saddam Hussein," said an intelligence source Friday who was briefed on the Defense Intelligence Agency's conclusions, which were based on a review of thousands of internal documents.
The Information Collection Program also "kept the Iranians informed about what we were doing" by passing classified U.S. documents and other sensitive information, he said. The program has received millions of dollars from the U.S. government over several years.
An administration official confirmed that "highly classified information had been provided [to the Iranians] through that channel." |
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uschal0522,0,340595.story?coll=ny-top-span-headlines |
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| Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 7:09 am Post subject: subject |
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| He was also on the Clinton/Gore payroll ! Guess we just overlook Billy Boy's Crimes ! |
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