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Real_Patriot
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Did Swift Boat Vets get Kerry's permission to post this

95 bxl wrote:

Real_Patriot wrote:

http://www.swiftvets.com/PressRelease051704.htm

Since you're whining about how you weren't asked for your permission for this public photo to be used, did you get Kerry's permission to use his likeness in your smear campaign? A simple Yes or No will suffice.

More of the delusion that allows you to support a war criminal?

Kerry is in the public domain. None of the others in the picture are.

Kerry SHOULD have received permission to use anyone else's image but his own... if for no other reason then common decency.

Of course, if he's going to lie to us through using a picture with the images of others, many of whom have written and asked him to STOP using that image... one can only imagine what other illegal, unethical and despicable things he'll do to get elected.

In the previous post I pointed out that 11 of the people in the photo have voluntarily placed themselves in the public eye through the news media, and are actively seeking to make themselves public figures in the campaign. Thus your public/private argument has no merit.

As for your "common decency" argument, be sure to apply it to the Swift Vets' use of Barker and Dobson's images without their permission for their own political agenda:

http://www.swiftvets.com/Index2/PressR2.jpg

Craig
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 7:19 pm Post subject:

[quote="fortdixlover"][quote="Greenhat"][quote="Real_Patriot"]

LewWaters wrote:

From: FortDixLover (real email address withheld)
To: rush@eibnet.com (Rush Limbaugh)
Date: 5/21/04
Subject: A real laugh

Dear Mr. Limbaugh,

I am forwarding you an entire thread from the "Swiftvets.com" public bulletin board. It is my belief your audience will enjoy hearing about a truly demented leftwing attack that can truly be described as spectacular.
The Swiftvets are hypocrites because the don't want John Kerry to use THEIR military pictures with him as a campaign booster, but they post a picture with him on it (a picture of a U.S. Senator) on their website to illustrate their complaint.

I mean, at first I thought this poster was joking, but his replies mean he's serious. Angry-psycho-left serious!

The only unfortunate aspect of this truly delicious imbecility is that the fine military and former-military personnel here are actually wasting their time trying to debate with this fellow.

By the way, the fellow's screen name is "Real Patriot." He neglects to mention which Communist country he is a patriot of.

Regards,

Fort Dix Lover

Did you get all the posters leave to be sending off their writings to support a political view and support Limbaugh's commercial "entertainment" enterprise?

fortdixlover
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 7:20 pm Post subject:

Craig wrote:

Did you get all the posters leave to be sending off their writings to support a political view and support Limbaugh's commercial "entertainment" enterprise?

I hope so. In this cultural civil war, military and ex-military people hope to win.

I can see your blood boiling, too, at my horrible, Fascist act. HOW DARE I BYPASS THE 'CONVENTIONAL' MEDIA, that award-winning, massive-profit-oriented, Leftist enterprise!!!

(Guys & gals, these leftists really are doing a poor job (at critique; they're doing an excellent job of making buffoons of themselves). I feel like I'm at the "shoot down the clowns" game at a carnival!)

Leftists, please try harder.

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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Did Swift Boat Vets get Kerry's permission to post this

Real_Patriot wrote:

http://www.swiftvets.com/Index2/PressR2.jpg

Yes, that's a much truer representation of who, among Kerry's closest shipmates, have decided to publicly stand with him in his campaign.

Anyone know if the remaining two people in this picture are on the campaign payroll, too? Just curious.... Wink

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Real_Patriot
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 7:23 pm Post subject:

fortdixlover wrote:

The best you can do is run to Rush Limbaugh when you can't address the debate?

I expected better of you guys. At least the Swift Vets are pretending to fight their own fight -- granted, with money supplied by GOP dirty-tricks consultants, but at least they don't run to freaking Rush Limbaugh when someone points out their hypocrisy.

Laughing

fortdixlover
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 7:33 pm Post subject:

Real_Patriot wrote:

fortdixlover wrote:

Just think. Twenty million listeners of Rush as SwiftVets viewers. Ah, the crushing blows the DOD's Arpanet has wrought on the left. And the helplessness of you authoritarian, dim-witted bastards to censor it! Laughing

Real_Patriot
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 7:37 pm Post subject:

95 bxl wrote:

Real_Patriot wrote:

And the Swift Vets have legally filed as a 527 public advocacy group, centered their smear campaign around its people voluntarily placing their names on a petition, and have been desperately seeking attention in the news media with public press releases and events. That makes them public figures in the news as well -- in fact, that's their primary goal. How come it's OK for them to use Kerry's photo in their public campaign, but not the reverse?

Why yes... yes it is, since you asked.

You see, being in an organization in and of itself, in no way makes one a "public figure." Tho I can see your warped thinking process in action, the phrase "public figure" for purposes of using an image has never been "any member of organization X is also automatically a public figure."

The images Kerry are now illegally using are NOT of "public figures." They are of men who, in many instances, have asked him to cease and desist. His continued use of their images bespeaks the type of scum that Kerry actually is, totally unconcerned about anyone but himself

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And why do they condemn Kerry's use of their images for political purposes without their permission, then turn around and use Barker and Dobson's images for political purposes without their permission? No one here seems to be able to answer that.

I'll answer it: Only one person involved here is running for the Presidency in this instance. What others do, or do not do, is absolutely irrelevant to what Kerry does, or does not do.

I would have thought that you would have learned as a 5 year old that the "But Tommy's mom lets HIM do it" argument has no merit.

At the end of the day, not only does Kerry NOT have permission, but he is ignoring the direct wishes of the men involved. And for that, the little war criminal has NO excuse.

Thanks for agreeing the "But Tommy's mom lets HIM do it" argument has no merit. It illustrates exactly what I'm saying -- Kerry's use of a photo of people who disagree with him, to further his political aims is exactly the same as the Swift Vets' use of a photo of people who disagree with them, to further their political aims. The Swift Vets have lost any claim they had to the moral high ground.

And I respectfully disagree that the 11 men in the photo who have committed themselves to a public advocacy "527" organization, held public events to condemn a political candidate, and added their names to endorse press releases sent to the media are not public figures. When you seek to make your name and personal opinions known in the mass media in a public debate, you are voluntarily entering the public limelight. You can't demand your name be attached when the public debate agrees with you, then demand it be taken off when it disagrees. It's called accountability.

Care to back up your assertion that Kerry's use of the photo is illegal?

LewWaters
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 7:39 pm Post subject:

Since I have been credited with statements I didn't make and it has been asked "Did you get all the posters leave to be sending off their writings to support a political view and support Limbaugh's commercial "entertainment" enterprise?," yes, they have permission to include mine. Afterall, when I make comments in a public arena, hiding them become the least of my worries.

Real_Patriot
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 7:48 pm Post subject:

fortdixlover wrote:

Real_Patriot wrote:

fortdixlover wrote:

Can't wait. Be sure to post the link when Rush airs his show about this thread, OK?

Laughing

Craig
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 7:52 pm Post subject:

LewWaters wrote:

Since I have been credited with statements I didn't make and it has been asked "Did you get all the posters leave to be sending off their writings to support a political view and support Limbaugh's commercial "entertainment" enterprise?," yes, they have permission to include mine.

Afterall, when I make comments in a public arena, hiding them become the least of my worries.

I don't care. Tell it to the person who submitted the thread. I don't even care where anyone sends anything I write here. It might be a bit of unscrupulos but I don't personally care.

I have not seen anyone respond to my question about the propriety of Bush campain using a flag draped coffin in his campain commercial.
Maybe it was just a staged coffin and did not contain someone who might object to his remains being exploited for political purpose.
But even that could raise ethical questions about it being fake.

fortdixlover
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 7:57 pm Post subject:

LewWaters wrote:

Since I have been credited with statements I didn't make

Sorry, that is fixed! Homer nods!

fortdixlover
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 8:00 pm Post subject:

Craig wrote:

I have not seen anyone respond to my question about the propriety of Bush campain using a flag draped coffin in his campain

Craig,

I agree. Bush was dastardly to use a flag-draped coffin in his campaign. I think we should impeach him for that act alone. Isn't that reasonable?Think of the family. Think of the CHILDREN!

fortdixlover
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 8:04 pm Post subject:

Craig wrote:

Did you get all the posters leave to be sending off their writings to support a political view and support Limbaugh's commercial "entertainment" enterprise?

Craig, will you please show just a little sensitivity and humility by admitting this statement of yours, considering the profit-making by the conventional media (ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, The New York Times, etc. etc.), is idiotic?

Be a man.

Thank you.

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Craig
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 8:06 pm Post subject:

fortdixlover wrote:

Craig wrote:

Did you get all the posters leave to be sending off their writings to support a political view and support Limbaugh's commercial "entertainment" enterprise?

Leftists, please try harder.

I wonder if your artist supports Democrat of Republican politics?
Did you ask his leave to use his art for a demeaning gesture?

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by Arthur Robins

I was born into a beautiful Jewish family in Brooklyn, New York, 1953. My father was a research chemist and my mother a writer. As a child, I was always inquisitive about everything, and asked all the impossible questions. My parents, I soon realized, did not have all the answers.

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Growing up in the 60's was a wonderful turbulent time. So many negative things have been said about that era, but I recall so much good. Many were searching for Truth, Love, and God; and though some found it, my search continued.

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fortdixlover
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2004 8:24 pm Post subject:

Craig wrote:

I wonder if your artist supports Democrat of Republican politics?
Did you ask his leave to use his art for a demeaning gesture?

Since it is copyrighted, I removed it (that is, the link to it). But...you REPUBLISHED the link IN YOUR post. And in addition you posted his poem - not just a link but the text - without permission. You are a criminal!

Now - will Kerry listen to the Swiftvets regarding pictures?

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