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sparky
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| If the Moonie Washington Times say Kerry is nuts, the Democrats are doing something right. After all, the Reverend Moon drinks his own blood for religious purposes. |
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Greenhat
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| mikest wrote: | Well put and fair questions.
Remember when the GOP said that Clinton raising taxes would cripple the economy? It didn't and allowed us to work through the best expansion in history. |
I don't consider the dot com bubble to be a "best expansion" of anything. Nor do I see actively prosecuting Microsoft while Enron is ignored.
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The complaint about th UN is over blown. |
And exactly how do you get to that point? A whole paragraph started with this line, but nothing but a rant that fails to address this point. Did you miss the corruption of the UN regarding "Oil for Food"? Or have you missed the UN's failures in Afghanistan? In a variety of other locations where they provide "peacekeepers"?
| Quote: | | As to your point about Kerry's wealth. I have watched Bush use every chance to push things that help corps while hurting the workers and environment. There is a ballance that can be found, but he doesn't look for it. Instead we have givaways like the tongas forrest, "clear skies" and the disintigration of our clean water laws. All of these have hurt more than help. When all available science says that something that will make things easier or cheaper to make will cause damage to people and the environment, they call it junk science and discount it. This hurts the common man. |
1. Not all available science. That is a cute claim, but simply untrue.
2. "Every chance", huh? More than slight exagerration, isn't it?
Seems that you do have the ability to be hostile and vitriolic, you just hide it a bit.
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sparky
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| Greenhate is right: not all science. It's the National Institutes of Science, Bush's own EPA, the US Department of Defense, and every responsible climatologist VS junk science corporate-sponsored profit-oriented pseudo-science puked out by bush-league PhD's who couldn't get legitimate grants. |
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mikest
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:43 am Post subject: |
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The Dot Com boom was not the only factor in the boom. I don't have the exact numbers but IIRC, Clinton added over 20million jobs in his tenure. Bush still has a net loss of over 1million. As far as micro and Enron, I think that wrong doers should be punished. Enron only became known during this admin and I don't hold the whole fiasco against Bush. I do however have a problem with the way enron ripped my state off while the Bush admin didn't do a thing, including even a meeting with one of my inefectual senators.
I meant the complaint that Kerry will use the UN only is overblown. And considering Halliburton is overcharging and is now accused of having convoys with empty trucks for payment, I think we should check our own back yard for corruption.
I think you mean "hyperbolic." But you have to admit, when the science goes against the program he wants, he changes the science. And I try, though sometimes fail, to be nonhostile to people who are not hostile to me. |
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Greenhat
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| mikest wrote: | | Enron only became known during this admin |
Which makes me wonder what the Justice Department was doing under Clinton.
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mikest
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| AHhhh It's Clintons fault. At least they didn't waste so much time and money tracking porn. |
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Big Kahuna
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mikest
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| Big Kahuna wrote: | | Ignore the lips moving on the man who looks like Dunkum Kennedy with his hand seemingly in the back of mikest |
More mindless blather from the prolific contentless poster. Don't worry, one day the wizard may just give you that brain. |
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Richard
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Mike,
I don't know what you are doing here. You are obviously a Kerry supporter who hears no evil. We aren't going to convince you otherwise and you certainly aren't going to make an impression on us. Do you enjoy combative or confrontational situations? What's your motivation?
Richard
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sparky
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Which makes me wonder what the Justice Department was doing under Clinton. |
Nobody wonders about this, even you. The last 30 years have been the era of deregulation, even during the 90's. The free market, so conservatives (and Clinton's fellow DLC'ers) told us, would keep the Enrons honest and they hoped we'd forget about history and human nature.
Apparently we need an occasional reminder regarding unchecked power and its inevitable abuse.
Until that reminder became the largest bankruptcy in US history, Clinton's Justice Department didn't dare investigate such an important pillar of the corporate community as Enron, especially one so politically connected. God knows how conservatives would have squawked about that kind of governmental intrusion into the affairs of such paragons of free-market virtue as Enron.
Seriously, has there ever been an investigation of corporate wrongdoing among their contributor base that conservatives didn't get all huffy about? |
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sparky
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| Quote: | | Mike, I don't know what you are doing here. |
I think I do. If I may speak momentarily for mike, he's doing his patriotic duty in minimizing the influence of dirty politics on the next presidential election. Letting these rightwing smears go unchallenged would be almost unAmerican. |
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jalexson
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| LewWaters wrote: | If any of these Bush haters were really "centrists," or whatever they claim, you would think they would see that Vietnam Veteran support for Kerry is running at about 3/4s against, possibly higher. In their eagerness to defeat Bush, they are perpetuating the myth of the deranged Vietnam Veteran. They obviously believe Vietnam Veterans are stupid not to vote in one of their fellow elitists.
Not one is trying to find out why we don't support one is running as "one of us." All they do is try to let us know we are too dumb to vote for their boy.
A true "centrist" would be eager to know why we don't support Kerry, not denigrate us for not supporting him.
Liberals by any other name are still Liberals. In todays political climate, Liberal = Socialist in my book. |
The problem with members of the donkey party is that they like to stand in a circle and kick each other in the head. They still haven't figured out that Bill Clinton was a disaster for the Democratic party. The Democrats had controlled both houses of Congress except for very brief periods for 60 years before Clinton was elected. Clinton was the first Democratic president to lose 4 House elections in a row. G. W. Bush on the other hand is one of the very few presidents to actually gain seats in both houses of Congress in an off year election.
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Do you enjoy combative or confrontational situations? What's your motivation? |
Richard, don't you know that all these libs are here from the Kerry camp to show us Vietnam Vets more of the respect and honor they have been showing us over the past 30 odd years?   |
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Big Kahuna
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| LewWaters wrote: | | Quote: | | Do you enjoy combative or confrontational situations? What's your motivation? |
Richard, don't you know that all these libs are here from the Kerry camp to show us Vietnam Vets more of the respect and honor they have been showing us over the past 30 odd years? |
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Greenhat
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: | | Quote: | | Which makes me wonder what the Justice Department was doing under Clinton. |
The last 30 years have been the era of deregulation, even during the 90's. |
Tell Microsoft that.
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