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failedminus Seaman Recruit
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Navy_Navy_Navy Admin
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:14 am Post subject: |
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xsquid wrote: |
Hehe, you posted yors as I was getting this link from the other thread 3 navy. |
Great squids think alike. _________________ ~ Echo Juliet ~
Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
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Greenhat LCDR
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:21 am Post subject: |
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failedminus wrote: | http://www.house.gov/strickland/Budget2003Rel.html
this is off of a goverment website. just read. |
You miss the fact that the budget in question (2004) included an increase?
Considering that:
1. Kerry has consistently (for 10 years) favored actual cuts in the military and veterans benefits
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2. The Democrats had a total of 40 years in which they controlled both Congress and the White House in which to pass concurrent receipt and they never did
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3. That Congress actually passes budgets and can add funds if the majority of our elected representatives feel it is appropriate
I'd say you are just blowing smoke. _________________ De Oppresso Liber |
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Navy_Navy_Navy Admin
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:21 am Post subject: |
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failedminus wrote: | http://www.house.gov/strickland/Budget2003Rel.html
this is off of a goverment website. just read. |
It's the home page (IOW - a constituent propaganda tool) of a Democratic Representative from Ohio.
It's full of political rhetoric and short on fact. I notice it talks about doubling the copay on prescriptions. Since this affects me, I did figure that one out when I first heard about it - and my monthy copays would go from $12 to $24.
Your web page is also from 2003.
I thought you wanted information about the 2005 budget? _________________ ~ Echo Juliet ~
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LewWaters Admin
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 4042 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:24 am Post subject: |
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LOL, from the personal website of Congressman Ted Strickland, DEMOCRAT Ohio? Now, I'm sure he is a fair and balanced source when speaking of an incumbant REPUBLICAN President, right?
I thought you said it was from a government website. Another one playing semantics trying to act as if he was a neutral person?
Since you claim to have been at Bragg, let me ask, is the PT tower still up just before Simmons? I was at Bragg when they built it. |
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xsquid Lt.Jg.
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:30 am Post subject: |
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failedminus wrote: | http://www.house.gov/strickland/Budget2003Rel.html
this is off of a goverment website. just read. |
So what? It's coming from a democrat that's lying. Take this sentence.
Quote: | meaning educational benefits, benefits paid to disabled veterans, and even burial benefits will face cuts.
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There have never been any cuts in benefits paid to disabled veterana and there will never be cuts to them. I receive these benefits and can tell you this guy's flat out lying.
Did you not even read factcheck?
Quote: | Those figures include mandatory spending for such things as payments to veterans for service-connected disabilities, over which Congress and presidents have little control. But Bush has increased the discretionary portion of veterans funding even more than the mandatory portion has increased. Discretionary funding under Bush is up 30.2%.
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Payments to veterans for disablities is MANDATORY. which congress and presidents have little control. This clown is a flat out liar. |
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LewWaters Admin
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 4042 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:36 am Post subject: |
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I just received this little tidbit in my email a few minutes ago. Doesn't sound to me like anyone is cutting anything;
Congressional Legislation
'To amend title 38, United States Code, to extend the authority of the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to make grants to expand or modify existing comprehensive service programs for homeless veterans, and for other purposes.'Bill # H.R.4248
Original Sponsor:Christopher Smith (R-NJ 4th)
Cosponsor Total: 3(last sponsor added 05/19/2004)
1 Democrats
2 Republicans
About This Legislation:
To amend title 38, United States Code, to extend the authority of the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to make grants to expand or modify existing comprehensive service programs for homeless veterans, and for other purposes.
Quote: | The Homeless Veterans Comprehensive Assistance Act of 2001 has been reauthorized, a landmark law that authorized almost $1 billion in new and expanded programs to help eradicate homelessness among veterans. The program has been reauthorized for an additional three years. What are your thoughts? Do you agree or disagree with the actions of your representatives? |
http://www.military.com/MilitaryReport/0,12914,VR_Action_053104,00.html?ESRC=vr.nl |
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xsquid Lt.Jg.
Joined: 25 May 2004 Posts: 140
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:36 am Post subject: |
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Man, you guys are too fast for me. Several people post while I'm putting down info.
Quote: | Your web page is also from 2003.
I thought you wanted information about the 2005 budget?
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It was definitely proven to be lies then.
It only takes being in the military through one democrat to find ouit who freezes pay and demolishes the miliraty. People that spend a lot of time at the VA can also tell who underfunds. None of them have cut veterans benefits or budget. Clinton sure underfunded during his term though. I got sick of being put off or appointments due to his undercutting.
I have the new edition of DAV (Disabled American Veterans, for any civillians pretending to be veterans) today. It says that both house and senate plams for funding veterans health care is at 27.8 billion dollars. That's even 1.2 billion more than bush asked for. It seems the prediction that factcheck may be even low.
The person that made the comment that there will be more alocated later on if it fell short is right. These figures are not etched in stone. It will probably even end up higher.
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xsquid Lt.Jg.
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:44 am Post subject: |
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I got that same email lew, Military.com is a great place for info. The DAV, American Legion, VFW, etc. are also excellent places for honest info. Web pages belonging to partisan politicans are obviously not, lol. |
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tigerflyboy Former Member
Joined: 16 May 2004 Posts: 50 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 4:24 pm Post subject: no here is the actual story about the cuts and incresases un |
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Bush's kiss of death
Molly Ivins - Creators Syndicate
06.08.04 - AUSTIN, Texas -- As Lily Tomlin observed, "No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up." But as Con Ed used to say, dig we must. Courtesy of David Sirota at americanprogress.org, we find the following matches between word and deed:
Just before Memorial Day, Veterans Affairs Secretary Anthony Principi said, "Our active military respond better to Republicans" because of "the tremendous support that President Bush has provided for our military and our veterans." The same day, the White House announced plans for massive cuts in veterans' health care for 2006.
Last January, Bush praised veterans during a visit to Walter Reed Army Medical Center. The same day, 164,000 veterans were told the White House was "immediately cutting off their access to the VA health care system."
My favorite in this category was the short-lived plan to charge soldiers wounded in Iraq for their meals when they got to American military hospitals. The plan mercifully died a-borning after it hit the newspapers.
In January 2003, just before the war, Bush said, "I want to make sure that our soldiers have the best possible pay." A few months later, the White House announced it would roll back increases in "imminent danger" pay (from $225 to $150) and family separation allowance (from $250 to $100).
In October 2003, the president told troops, "I want to thank you for your willingness to heed the important call, and I want to thank your families." Two weeks later, the White House announced it opposed a proposal to give National Guard and Reserve members access to the Pentagon's health insurance system, even though a recent General Accounting Office report estimated that one out of every five Guard members has no health insurance. What a nice thank you note.
A month before the war started, the White House proposed cutting $1.5 billion from funding for military housing. The House Armed Services Committee had concluded that thousands of military families were living "in decrepit and dilapidated military housing." Progressive lawmakers counter-proposed an amendment to restore $1 billion in housing funds and pay for it by reducing new tax cuts Bush was proposing for the 200,000 Americans who make more than $1 million a year. Instead of getting $88,000 in tax cuts, the poor millionaires would get only $83,000. The House, with White House backing, voted the proposal down. (All thanks to Sirota.)
With the release of the 2006 budget, we're constantly finding instances of programs that Bush, the candidate, proudly claims to support, while he prepares to cut them drastically in order to pay for making his tax cuts permanent.
According to The Washington Post, the White House guidelines for the 2006 budget include a $1.7 billion cut for education, supposedly his signature program. That neatly wipes out last year's increase -- and, you may recall, the administration has never funded education at anything close to the figures in the original agreement with Sen. Ted Kennedy. Teachers say the No Child Left Behind law should be called "No Dollars Left Behind to Pay for It." Head Start is to be cut by $177 million, and the highly successful nutrition program for women, infants and children is to be cut by $100 million.
Any time Bush goes out into the country and claims credit for, or praises the work being done by, some government program, it is an almost-certain kiss of death -- budget cuts follow.
Back to veterans. This year, the administration increased spending on veterans by $519 million. In 2006, it plans to cut veterans spending by $910 million.
Also on the list for substantial cuts are the National Institutes of Health, the Environmental Protection Agency, and police assistance and crime prevention programs. When something like the West Nile virus gets out of control, can't you just envision the independent investigation committee that will have a look into that government failure? Can we fire George Tenet again?
Rep. David Obey, D-Wisc., points out the House Interior Appropriations Committee had to cut $682 million from the White House budget proposal this year. The budget situation is now so dire that the latest Republican scheme is not to pass a budget at all this year (until after the election), lest people notice what is going on.
The White House's latest ploy is to claim that the 2006 guidelines it issued are just a mere wisp of a suggestion, nothing to be taken seriously. But the White House has already submitted legislation to impose spending caps that would continue the cuts every year thereafter until 2009.
Are there any grown-ups in this administration? Budgets are the guts of government. "Who benefits?" and "Who pays?" are the only serious questions. Except, of course, for the always timely, "What the hell will they do to us next?"
and yes this did come from Ivans, she knows Bush a lot better than most of you claim to she's been covering hiom for many years |
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ASPB Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Just for those that don't know much about Molly Ivins, the author of Tigergroundboy's post, please read this article from 1995.
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By Florence King
Molly Ivins, Plagiarist
Most liberals sneer, grate, whine, scream, and picket, but Molly Ivins chuckles wisely and smiles tiredly so everyone will regard her as a lovable cynic.
The Texas columnist describes herself as “a left-wing, aging-Bohemian journalist, who never made a shrewd career move, never dressed for success, never got married, and isn’t even a lesbian, which at least would be interesting.” Actually her professional Good Ole Girl number is far more interesting than mere lesbianism. An occasional commentator on the MacNeil/Lehrer News Hour, she bellies up to the gourmet crackerbarrel and delivers laid-back wisdom with the serenity of a down-home Buddha who has discovered that stool softeners really work. Watching her go through her paces is like watching Ona Munson, who played Belle Watling in Gone With the Wind, doing an imitation of Spencer Tracy playing Clarence Darrow in Inherit the Wind. That’s a lot of wind.
Besides her newspaper column, Ivins writes for MS., Mother Jones, The Progressive, Rolling Stone, and The Nation. This has given her enough material for two collections: Molly Ivins Can’t Say That, Can She? (named for the incensed Dallas advertisers who tried to censor her), and Nothin’ But Good Times Ahead.
She rounds up the usual sentiments. On guns: “Ban the damn things. Ban them all.” On bilingualism: “It’s racist for any Texas reporter south of Lubbock not to be able to speak Spanish.” Cutting capital gains is “the dumbest kind of tax subsidy to conspicuous consumption.” Pat Buchanan’s 1992 GOP convention speech “probably sounded better in the original German,” and gays move her to trite Freudianism: “Hating them seems to be a function of being afraid that you might be one yourself.”
She’s funny on the Texas legislature’s mangled English (“Disperse with the objections”), but she ruins it with an earnest tribute to Barbara Jordan, who, being black and female, gets credit for “eloquence.” Jordan actually took her oratorical pretensions from the Saxon Witenagemot, which is why she sounds like Alfred the Great with lockjaw.
Ivins’ own English ranges from politically correct (“yeoperson”) to Texanese (“bidness” for business, “Meskin” for Mexican) to hokeynyms (“our foundin’ daddies were about the smartest sumbitches ever walked”). She scatters the text with “Sheesh!” and “Well, poop!” and lots of “y’alls,” and practices multiculturalism complete with Yiddish misspellings (“the pièce de résistance of the whole schmear”).
She also knows how to gild a lily, as I discovered in the following passage:
In her definitive work, Southern Ladies and Gentlemen, Florence King observes, “The cult of southern womanhood…requires [a female] to be frigid, passionate, sweet, bitchy, animated, and scatterbrained all at the same time…. A horrifying number of us succeed, which accounts for that popular southern female pastime, having a nervous breakdown.”
The passage as I wrote it reads: “She is required to be frigid, passionate, sweet, bitchy, and scatterbrained—all at the same time. Her problems spring from the fact that she succeeds.” Add a l’il more on there, honey, give the folks they money’s worth.
This tarted-up quotation from my 1975 book appears in Ivins’ 1988 Mother Jones article, “Magnolias and Moonshine.” My name is strewn through this article, but never where it counts. She credits me on minor observations, but when the subject is politics—her turf—she plagiarizes me.
IVINS: “Keep in mind that Southerners are so conservative they voted for Franklin Roosevelt, so isolationist they voted for Richard Nixon, so populist they voted for Barry Goldwater, so aristocratic they voted for George Wallace, and that they see nothing peculiar in any of this.”
KING: “The typical Southerner:
—Brags about what a conservative he is and then votes for Franklin D. Roosevelt.
—Or brags about what an isolationist he is and then votes for Richard Nixon.
—Or brags about what a populist he is and then votes for Barry Goldwater.
—Or brags about what an aristocrat he is and then votes for George Wallace.
—And is able to say with a straight face that he sees nothing peculiar about any of the above.”
IVINS: “The Southern passion for military service first astonished the rest of the country in 1898, when Southerners signed up in droves to avenge the Maine. It was the country’s first war since Appomattox, and for 33 years Yankees had questioned Southern loyalty.”
KING: “In 1898, the phenomenon that surprised Americans nearly as much as the explosion of the battleship Maine was the vast number of Southern men who answered the call to the colors. It was America’s first war since Appomattox, and Southern loyalty had been in question for 33 years.”
Danged if this don’t remind me of an old left-wing quotation: “From each according to her abilities, to each according to hers needs.”
Published in Work! September/October 1995 Issue |
I suggest you consider Tigergroundboy's sources before giving them any credence. _________________ On Sale! Order in lots of 100 now at velero@rcn.com Free for the cost of shipping All profits (if any, especially now) go to Swiftvets. The author of "Sink Kerry Swiftly" ---ASPB |
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tigerflyboy Former Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:01 pm Post subject: knew it would not take you long |
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Moly Ivans is not my only source, That was just the 1st one I came across today ref the VA Cuts, since it seemt o be the hot topic today. But jus to make you happy (or Sad) I'll get a few more back ups on the story and then post the links, course ASPB you probably won't believe it anyway! |
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The bandit Commander
Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 349
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Veterans' Budget for Fiscal Year 2004
Fact Sheet
Fact: The FY 2004 Conference Agreement increases veterans' spending.
The Conference Agreement proposes veterans' spending for FY 2004 of $63.8 billion. That is an increase of $6.2 billion, or 10.7 % over FY 2003. Over 10 years, the Conference Agreement provides for increasing veterans' spending to $77.5 billion in fiscal year 2013. That's a 10-year increase of $19.9 billion, or 34.5 %.
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Fact: The House-passed budget for FY 2004 would have also increased
veterans' spending.
The House-passed budget resolution would have increased veterans' spending to $61.6 billion next year from the current level of $57.6 billion. That's an increase of $4 billion, or 6.9 %. Over 10 years, the House-passed budget provides for increasing veterans' spending to $74.5 billion in fiscal year 2013. That's a 10-year increase of $16.9 billion, or 29.4 %.
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Fact: The budget provides a substantial increase for veterans' medical care.
The Conference Agreement provides for $30 billion – a 12.9% increase – in discretionary spending for veterans in FY 2004. About 90% of total veterans' discretionary spending is for veterans' medical care. This increase follows substantial increases over the past several years, with the level increasing from $17.1 billion in FY 1998 to $23.9 billion in FY 2003.
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Fact: The budget increases funding for veterans' disability compensation.
The budget provides $33.8 billion – an increase of $2.8 billion or 8.9% – in mandatory spending in FY '04. Of that increase, nearly 80% is for increases to veterans' disability compensation.
This document was prepared by the majority staff of the House Committee on the Budget. It has not
been approved by the full committee and may not reflect the views of all the committee’s members.
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Fact: The budget provides resources to address the long waits for VA medical care.
The budget provides for a substantial increase for VA medical care. In March, Secretary Principi announced VA "waiting lists for appointments peaked last year at about 300,000. Most of those veterans have now been seen. Even with additional veterans seeking care, we have slashed the waiting list to about 200,000." The $1.8 billion increase for VA medical care in the Conference Agreement, over and above the Administration's request, will allow VA to make additional progress toward eliminating these unacceptably long waits.
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Fact: The Republican Congress continues its strong commitment to
our nation's veterans.
Over the last five years, there has been a record $15.1 billion, or 35%, increase in funding for veterans' programs. The Republican Congress last year provided for the concurrent receipt of disability compensation and military retirement benefits for 10-percent disabled combat veterans. This is the first significant change since the concurrent receipt offset was created in 1892. Further, veterans have benefitted from the largest hike ever in Montgomery GI Bill education benefits, which rose from $650 per month in 2001, to $900 per month this year, and to $1,100 per month by 2005.
In addition, last year the Congress enacted an increase in the annual benefit for Medal of Honor recipients from $600 to $1,000, and extended VA healthcare eligibility to surviving spouses who marry after age 55.
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Fact: The House-passed budget sought to achieve savings from the
elimination of waste, fraud and abuse – not to cut program benefits.
The House-passed budget expected all authorizing committees to achieve mandatory savings from waste, fraud and abuse – not from benefit reductions. One committee has already led the way. The Veterans' Affairs Committee's on May 8, 2003, conducted a hearing aimed at curbing waste, fraud and abuse in VA programs. Testifying at the hearing were the General Accounting Office [GAO] and the Inspector General [IG] of the Department of Veterans Affairs, two office that have repeatedly produced reports on how VA can reduce waste, increase efficiency and stop outright fraud. The IG discussed investigations that have found a significant discrepancy between part-time physicians' contractual obligations and records of work performed. The IG also discussed the potential savings from stopping fugitive felons and incarcerated veterans from improperly collecting benefit checks from VA.
GAO testified on systemic changes needed to improve the delivery of compensation benefits, as well as improve VA's health care services. |
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ASPB Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Fact.
And all of this while the roll of total veterans eligible for VA benefits is shrinking at the rate of 10-12 thousand per month as a result of patriotic lives coming to their natural end. _________________ On Sale! Order in lots of 100 now at velero@rcn.com Free for the cost of shipping All profits (if any, especially now) go to Swiftvets. The author of "Sink Kerry Swiftly" ---ASPB |
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The bandit Commander
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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ASPB wrote: | Fact.
And all of this while the roll of total veterans eligible for VA benefits is shrinking at the rate of 10-12 thousand per month as a result of patriotic lives coming to their natural end. |
I been hunting for just such figures! |
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