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air_vet
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 Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Good Steer--Thanks |
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| DavidB wrote: | | However, a Green Beret officer, Rassman, says that Kerry saved his life under heavy fire on a river in Viet Nam. Can this man's testimony (a Republican, I believe) simply be discounted? |
He was up to his neck in brown water - not the best vantage point to see what was going on around him was it?
Candidate Kerry pulled him out of the water while men on other boats were pulling others out of the water. There has been some description of the Swift Boats applying some covering fire after the mine went off, but with no return fire, it was stopped.
Rassman, in the water, WASN"T in a position to accurately tell WHERE the fire was coming from. He THOUGHT he was under file. |
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DavidB
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:52 pm Post subject: Kerry Under Fire |
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| Admin note - Quota for Kerry talking points exceeded. |
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neverforget
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Good Steer--Thanks |
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| DavidB wrote: | The search engine for the Forums is excellent. I've found some good insignts there--thanks. It seems that three major beefs have been laid against Kerry: (1) he was vainglorious to the point of dishonesty, hence the overblown accounts of his exploits, bravery, etc. (2) he gave aid & comfort to the enemy in political speeches in the early 70's while still a sworn officer in the US Navy (3) he has misrepresented his Viet Nam service in order to capture swing votes in the current campaign. All in all, it adds up to a pretty miserable portrait. However, a Green Beret officer, Rassman, says that Kerry saved his life under heavy fire on a river in Viet Nam. Can this man's testimony (a Republican, I believe) simply be discounted? Also, supposing that Kerry was in reality a self-serving, incompetent, and even cowardly junior officer, does that make him less fit for office than other national leaders (Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft) who had more success than he in dodging service in Viet Nam?
I have a great problem with Kerry's participation in the VV Against the War group while he was still a serving officer. Secondly, his blanket allegations of massive US war crimes in Viet Nam are indefensible and contributed to a malignant, anti-military attitude that lingered in the US for a long time after Viet Nam. But by lying about his war record, Kerry only shows what we all know anyway--politicians in both parties will say almost anything to get elected. They treat lying as a necessary evil, a way to protect and leverage their sacred 'core platforms.' |
Let's see, there was denigration of other Republicans in that post. Then a blanket denigration of all politicians. If you followed all the information on this forum closely and read the "Unfit for Command," you will find that Rassmann has changed his story a number of times as Kerry has about the events of 3/13/69. You will also find conclusive evidence that Kerry, in contradiction to his DNC claim that all the other boats left and only he stayed to pull Rassmann from the water, in fact, was the ONLY one to flee the scene. In addition, you will find that both Kerry and (likely) Rassmann conflated the 3/13/69 events with a grenade incident a short-time earlier in which they were wounded by an explosion of rice because they stood too close when they threw grenade(s) into a rice cache. Finally, you will find some good posts about what kind of injuries are NOT caused by underwater mines and what kind of damages they do to boats. |
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