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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:52 am    Post subject: Re: Never Counted Medals Reply with quote

I skip through the site postings when I am able. Today I have had two serious buots of pain with my feet that put me out of commission for about three hours each.
What I think I remember seeing is something about Kerry being denied a deferment.
That might explain the sleepwalking on the APL in a combat zone.
Another issue is a lot of scuttlebutt around how Kerry qualified for his medals.
Some of my family members and myself have tinker boxes full of medals and ribbons. Some of my dads are pretty interesting and prestigous.
My grandfathers are even more impressive if you measure a mans worth by the type and number of medals they collect. but all that is insignificant and eccoed by the families who lost loved ones in combat while they were is fighting for a principal called freedom.
The medal and ribbons don't change the man (unless you take John Kerry's point of view about war), Medals don't pay your bills, they don't buy your family food or provide shelter for your family. What they do represent the government ackowledged your efforts and said "Thank You" on behalf of all Americans.
In John Kerry's situation I would say he has "a rubber band arm" and can't get enough of the back patting he has given himself for the last 35 years. Wink Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:08 pm    Post subject: Attn Dane Reply with quote

Gundecking is the word alright. This 'Paint and Preservation Specialists' thinks the term derives from painting over rust, putting a gloss on rot. It may look good and pass inspection but you wouldn't want to walk on it.

....and I'ld suggest he's the goldfish s**t beneath the whale s**t on the bottom of the ocean.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, to further the info on Gundecking....

Naval Terms and Customs

Quote:
In the modern Navy, falsifying reports, records, and the like is often referred to as gundecking.
The origin of the term is somewhat obscure, but at the risk of gundecking, here are two plausible explanations for its modern usage.
The deck below the upper deck on British sailing ships-of-war was called the gun deck, although it carried no guns. This false deck may have been constructed to deceive enemies as to the amount of armament carried; thus, the gun deck was a falsification.


Another explanation, based on navigation reports is also provided there. Either seems to be appropriate, although that second one (you'll have to go to the link) is maybe more fitting for this particular situation.[/url]
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:45 pm    Post subject: THE 180 AND NOW Reply with quote

Seems he has lots of "180's" in his life.

Parasomnia, then and now, if he was sleepwalking in viet nam and

when he was 12 , and he had the elite east coast deal he had

elite east coast Dr's and Navy Dr.'s did he get treatment then and

in Navy and does he now.

His wife the hinnie of hines "he scares me and I have to "john, john

him back to sleep.

sleep disorders are important in a combat zone and if the Navy

put this man out in a combat zone and they "knew" and people

were put in "more harms way due to this" and he did the

east coast elite thing and got a waiver of the "sleep disorder"

and it is in his 180 , the 180 will never show the lite of day as

HE AND THE NAVY WILL HAVE TO EXPAIN THAT.

notwithstanding several of the wide awake Capt. and Lt. we

got did not have sleep disorders, they were so dumb, it would have

b een better for us if they had over slept and we could have planed the

missions with out them, (which we did once in the air sometimes)


sorry capt.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would a 180 also release his reserve records? If so I would bet that Kerry was "AWOL" or as us Navy guys say UA for a longer period during his active reserve then Bush was from his.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:06 pm    Post subject: RE: You must have hit a nerve Reply with quote

With most readers of this post of the same consensus that Senator Kerry either lie on his enlistment documents about sleep walking or faked sleep walking while in Nam. It leves us back to two simple eliminations if you follow a logic flow chart.
Only two types of sleep walkers exist in combat zones.
One: someone who wants out of combat duty.
Two: someone who is (edited) looking for a midnight date.
BC (before Clinton)- both acts were illegal.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Gundecking Reply with quote

Dane wrote:
There is a term in the Navy that describes cheating and falsifying. It is called "gundecking". I´m not sure of the origens of the term but it is well known as one of the worst sins possible.


When I was in ROTC we had an instructor who awarded extra credit on questions regarding historical nautical terminology such as toe the line or scuttlebutt. Gundecking according to my now yellowed notes meant cursing the Navy, Officers and anything else. According to history drunken sailors returning from liberty were expected to conduct themselves properly while in view of the watch but on the gun deck they were allowed to vent and blow off steam without repercussion, hence the term gundecking.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:44 am    Post subject: rmw Reply with quote

I'ld feel better if that was NROTC.

I liked the idea of painting a phoney gundeck and gun ports (it comports with my sailor's painting hang up).

DEAR ADMIN' maybe you could move all these gundeck entries to a seperate entry and facilitate the discussion. TKS
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