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Navy_Navy_Navy
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This might really surprise you, but Falwell and Robertson don't speak for a huge portion of us Reagan Democrats/ registered Republicans.
Hate-mongering? Like recommending assassination of the President, a la' "Err America?"
Like Al Franken taking out a Lyndon LaRouche supporter at the knees for protesting during a Dean speech?
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carpro
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| dhedges53 wrote: | | the Vietnam War. A war in which 58,000 good, decent, and honourable young men, serving their country, died for NOTHING. They died at the whim of the politicians who decided they could conduct the war more effectively than the military. |
They did not die for NOTHING. Soldiers,Sailors,Airmen,and Marines in a combat situation are not thinking about politics and love of country. They die for each other. Thats as far from nothing as you can get.
That's why Kerry hurt us so badly with his allegations. If he had been a typical anti-war zeolot , the impact of his allegations would have been much smaller.
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dhedges53
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Around and around we go. And we don't take a single step. After the Democratic Convention I am going to work for a war hero, John Kerry, with the hope that we can elect a brave, decent, American patriot to the highest office. And I can tell you Carpro, my vote will be cast not only to elect a great man, but to cancel your vote. So, when you go to the polls in November to vote for a draft-dodger over a hero, know that there is someone out there who is going to make your vote meaningless.
Moving on to my favorite site, Moving-On. |
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MarineBrat
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Location: Right edge of the loony left coast.
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| dhedges53 wrote: | | Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson both stated that Osama Bin Ladin was right. They stated on the 700 Club that gays, Lesbians, feminists, the ACLU, and People for the American Way were responsible for 9/11. That is what I call hate-mongering. No need to look for subtleties here. I have seen people on this site make similar thoughtless statements. Maybe thats why, at times, I get a little sensitive when I hear these same people blasting Kerry, not for his exemplary military service, but for trying to stop the Vietnam War. A war in which 58,000 good, decent, and honourable young men, serving their country, died for NOTHING. They died at the whim of the politicians who decided they could conduct the war more effectively than the military. |
Hi Dhedges53:
I had better drop out of the conversation then. I haven't paid much attention to what's coming out of the 700 club. And I would suspect that our views (yours and mine) probably differ on those subjects more than what can be ameliorated on an internet forum. I'm not interested in researching the details of why they said what you said that they said, only to come back here looking for an argument. The rules of life are much simpler than that. You get what you get because you do what you do. And I guess if the 700 Club wants to draw that all the way out to explaining 9/11, they're free to do so in the USA.
I can say from personal experience with alcoholism, I'm an alcoholic not because I have a disease, as many AA step-nazis would have you belive. I'm an alcoholic because I acted irresponsibly and drank every day for a long time, and my body and mind became conditioned to being soothed by alcohol. Alcoholism was not the problem, it was a symptom of deeper underlying emotional issues. In fact, alcohol and pride were the primary barriers between me and solving my problems. A true catch-22. Fifteen years after the fact it's all very clear. But of course, if I stand up in front of a room of alcoholics and say those things, many of them will take a serious dislike to me.
That right there can be used to infer my feelings about the social and cultural issues that form much of the schism between the left and right, and by extension, between me and the groups you mentioned above. I've been called callous and flat out wrong by AA folks for feeling that way, but it's always by someone who has a "pride" thing going on. And the rediculous thing is that, in a man to man conversation, conservatives and liberals don't seem to me to sit on one side of this fence or the other based on their political affiliations, rather it seems to be based more on how closely it hits home for them, regardless of their political slant. But because we're talking about a general "law of the universe" here, the conservatives, in public forums, tend to rally around that flag, while in private there is little difference between men.
You guys have a great day! This thread has reached a complex juncture, where each round of replies would become exponentially more complex to surround with logic, and, as we all know, when political correctness is no longer attainable, in a public forum, at that point it is in danger of degrading into an argument. I may have to let the next round slide, lest a novel be in order! 
Peace,
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