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Greenhat LCDR
Joined: 09 May 2004 Posts: 405
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 7:21 am Post subject: |
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mikest wrote: | Thanks for proving my point. The Saddam/Atta link has been discredited by many. The shell is a far cry from tons of sarin and anthrax, and the tests aren't back yet, and the world opinion was just a data point. Next |
Well, then you won't mind having a liter of Sarin released in your neighborhood, right? I guess you missed that second warhead... or the over 400 that are still missing.
Or maybe you would prefer some of the mustard gas that has been found being released in your home? After all, it isn't a big deal, right?
As for the Saddam/Atta link, yes it has been attacked by many. On the other hand, the link to terrorist training facilities near Baghdad has never been addressed. It is much preferred to ignore that link. Or the suicide vests, found in large numbers. Or the links to Hizbollah, or the links to Hamas, or the fact that Saddam started and sponsored a terrorist group (ALF).
Remember "Terror International"? They still exist, we just call them Al-Queda. _________________ De Oppresso Liber |
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mikest PO2
Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 377
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 7:29 am Post subject: Re: subject |
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Marine's Wife wrote: | He was also on the Clinton/Gore payroll ! Guess we just overlook Billy Boy's Crimes ! |
Correct. Brought to him by Paul Wolfowitz and friends. But does that change anything I said? Bill Clinton did not attempt to install him in power.
A man, working with an Iranian spy became fast friends with the highest levels of our government. And all you can say is "Clinton did it too?" |
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Greenhat LCDR
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Mike,
Might notice that it is "accused". How about waiting until some proof instead of editorials convicts him? _________________ De Oppresso Liber |
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mikest PO2
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 7:54 am Post subject: |
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Greenhat wrote: | Mike,
Might notice that it is "accused". How about waiting until some proof instead of editorials convicts him? |
Going down with the ship Greenhat? |
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Marine's Wife PO3
Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 267
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 8:27 am Post subject: subject |
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Don't count on THIS ship going down MIKIE. They may kick me off at this board,but I'll just pop up on another ! |
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Greenhat LCDR
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 11:15 am Post subject: |
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mikest wrote: | Greenhat wrote: | Mike,
Might notice that it is "accused". How about waiting until some proof instead of editorials convicts him? |
Going down with the ship Greenhat? |
No, I just don't take editorials as facts. _________________ De Oppresso Liber |
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mikest PO2
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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Greenhat wrote: | mikest wrote: | Greenhat wrote: | Mike,
Might notice that it is "accused". How about waiting until some proof instead of editorials convicts him? |
Going down with the ship Greenhat? |
No, I just don't take editorials as facts. |
I'm not sure where you got the idea this was an editorial, but it's not. |
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mikest PO2
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2004 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Greenhat wrote: | mikest wrote: | Greenhat wrote: | Mike,
Might notice that it is "accused". How about waiting until some proof instead of editorials convicts him? |
Going down with the ship Greenhat? |
No, I just don't take editorials as facts. |
If it comes from Fox, doesn't that make it true?
Quote: | 'Rock Solid' Evidence Chalabi Spied for Iran
Friday, May 21, 2004
BAGHDAD, Iraq — U.S. officials believe they have "rock solid" evidence that Iraqi Governing Council member Ahmad Chalabi (search), once a darling of the American government, passed secrets to Iran, Fox News has learned.
"There is no need for an investigation because we're quite certain he did it," one senior Bush administration official said.
The official first described the evidence against Chalabi as "pretty solid" and then characterized it as "rock solid."
U.S. officials won't describe the information Chalabi's alleged to have passed to Iran or how he's supposed to have obtained it, but they said he does not have the clearance to possess American classified information.
Defense officials also told Fox News there was speculation that INC members allegedly shared information with Iran (search) and misused funds and property belonging to the Iraqi Governing Council.
Iraqi police on Thursday suddenly surrounded and raided Chalabi's house — and police also searched offices of his organization, the Iraqi National Congress.
But U.S. officials said the action taken against Chalabi and the belief that he passed secrets to Iran were not related.
The raid on Chalabi's home was conducted in connection with criminal charges against the Iraqi National Congress, sources said. The decision was made by authorities in Baghdad investigating allegations of embezzlement and corruption.
White House officials said President Bush did not order the action.
Once favored by the American government as the possible new leader of Iraq, Chalabi has also recently come under suspicion because he has been openly criticizing the United States for its plans to transfer power to the Iraqi people at the end of June.
Coalition officials in Baghdad portrayed the raid as one in which the United States did not have a major role. Coalition spokesman Dan Senor said it was led by Iraqi authorities with support from the U.S.-run Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA).
American officials in Iraq have complained privately that Chalabi has been interfering with a U.S. investigation into allegations that Saddam Hussein's regime skimmed billions of dollars in oil revenues from the controversial United Nations-run oil-for-food program (search). |
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120535,00.html |
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Greenhat LCDR
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Still editorials. Just a lot of accusations, unnamed officials and unsubstantiated claims. No actual data at this point. _________________ De Oppresso Liber |
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sparky Former Member
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2004 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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We warned the neocons but they just wouldn't listen: Chalabi was a crook and a sleazebucket.
Some things about him aren't editorials but settled matters. The neocons' man, Chalabi, could have never made an official state visit to Jordan due to the fraudcharges against him, which led to his fleeing that country. He was successfully prosecuted in abstentia
And now, another neocon-inspired embarassment to the US.
From the AP wire,
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/8712100.htm
For years, Chalabi's INC received hundreds of thousands of dollars every month from the Pentagon, in part for intelligence passed along by exiles about Saddam's purported weapons of mass destruction.
Chalabi has been criticized since large stockpiles of such weapons were never found. The former banker and longtime Iraqi exile was convicted of fraud in absentia in Jordan in 1992 in a banking scandal and sentenced to 22 years in jail. He has repeatedly denied the charges.
I hope nobody here is trying to claim that Chalabi is somehow above doing freelance work for the Iranians. |
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sparky Former Member
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Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 1:56 am Post subject: |
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From Janes Defense Weekly:
http://www.janes.com/defence/news/fr/fr040519_1_n.shtml
Marching valiantly into the quagmire
Intriguing but unconfirmed rumours have reached Foreign Report that may have far-reaching consequences for the Coalition operation in Iraq, as well as Britain's domestic politics.
According to the report, secret discussions may be under way concerning the Polish-commanded south-central multinational military division. There has been continuous speculation that the Poles, one of the biggest contingents in the Coalition force, will withdraw.
While for the moment they are saying they will not follow the Spanish example, they have called for a "progressive reduction" of their 2,400 troops, as casualties rise (three dead, as well as their top war correspondent) and public opposition grows.
Following the Abu Ghraib prison scandal and betting on the likelihood that the security situation will get even worse, other staunch US allies in the new Europe are also rapidly distancing themselves from the Bush administration.
In Hungary, former prime minister and opposition leader Viktor Orban, who had hitherto supported Hungary's role in Iraq, called operations there "morally unsustainable". The Hungarian government has agreed to review its commitment, which currently stands at 300 troops. Bulgaria's troops, six of which have been killed, are increasingly restive: 24 soldiers had to be sent home recently after complaining about their mission and another 15 who were due to return to their country in August have already quit. Ukraine's resolve is also wavering after four of its soldiers were killed in action.
Spain's 1,300 troops, eight of whom have died, will be gone by 1 June, leaving a big hole in the Coalition's forces around the holy city of Najaf, home to radical anti-US cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. The USA has asked Britain to fill the vacuum, it currently commands the southern sector, has 8,700 troops stationed in Iraq and has suffered 59 casualties. It appears that Britain will comply, although its own military planners are less than happy.
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mikest PO2
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Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | U.S. Steps Up Hunt in Leaks to Iraqi Exile
By DAVID JOHNSTON and RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr.
Published: May 24, 2004
ASHINGTON, May 23 — The information that Ahmad Chalabi, the Iraqi exile leader, is believed to have passed to Iran was so highly classified that federal investigators have intensified their inquiry to find out whether anyone in the American government gave the material to Mr. Chalabi, government officials said Sunday.
Federal investigators now suspect that Mr. Chalabi funneled a wide array of Pentagon and C.I.A. secrets to Iran — much more material than they believe he might have obtained through his political contacts with Americans, they said. "This was not the kind of stuff that he would have gotten by accident," one official said.
Intelligence officials have said the investigation centers on a handful of officials in Washington and Iraq who dealt regularly with Mr. Chalabi, and an even smaller number who also had access to the compromised information. Most of them are at the Pentagon, which was Mr. Chalabi's main point of contact with the Bush administration. |
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sparky Former Member
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Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmmmm, I wonder who could done something so treasonous.
What, exactly, is it about Iranian fundamentalists that conservatives find so irresistible? I thought they'd learned their lesson about giving stuff to terrorist nations during Iran-Contra.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/24/politics/24CHAL.html |
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