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Greenhat
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| Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: |
He posted another boats' action reports as his own, for Pete's sake? Just how unethical do you have to BE before the libs shut this one down and try for a better candidate? |
Gee, let's hope not. Kerry is in self-destruct mode and if he self-destructs too soon, the Democrats might actually nominate a candidate who has a chance at winning. Considering the timing for this particular organization, I would think it is much more likely that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth would prefer that. If they were the tools of the Bush administration that some posters here accuse them of being, they'd have waited until Kerry was the official nominee and appeared with a lot more funding and a lot more visibility.
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JasonBinPNW
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And, faced with facts relevant to the point, the Dems revert AGAIN to diversion.
My favorite of all those was:
"Name: Sean Hannity
Born: December, 1961
Employer: Rupert Murdoch
Conflict Avoided: Desert Storm
Notes: Plenty of guys his age were in Desert Storm - what's his excuse? "
Did YOU serve in Desert Storm? Whats YOUR excuse?
That's hilarious! Why would he have gone in the first place?
Quibblers.
But since you asked for it, I'll be more than happy to compile a list of Democratic Draft Dodgers with amusing little comments on them.
Stop posting tangents and stick to the relvant issue, or go away as you are not adding anythng to the discussion.
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Greenhat
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Hmmmm.... I avoided Desert Storm. How, you ask? The Army didn't send me. 
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sparky
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| Quote: | | This site isn't about any of those people you mentioned. |
Since you find the reality inconvenient you want to make up rules? Sorry, but virtually all of the GOP leadership ducked out with one excuse or another: anal cysts (limbaugh), better things to do (Cheney), trick knee (Pat Buchanan)....besides McCain and Hagel, the GOP leadership and punditry is pure 100% chicken hawk.
Conservatives, remember this the next time you start saying unless a liberal served in the military, he needs to clam it.
| Quote: | | John Kerry has said twice in televised interviews that he would release his full service record, and he hasn't. |
Yes he has. We've been through this. The issue is settled and his commanders at the time glowed about his leadership.
Unlike Bush. In his later years in the Guard, his reports became more and more dismal. I guess he was below that 90% who gets in the top 10%. |
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stumpy
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| I love how easily some assault my understanding of things military just because I am a progressive and am supporting Kerry. Like Cleland's three lost limbs, my 3-1/2 years of service in Southeast Asia matters not the least to those who are so thoughtlessly trying to make their point. |
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JasonBinPNW
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| stumpy wrote: | | I love how easily some assault my understanding of things military just because I am a progressive and am supporting Kerry. Like Cleland's three lost limbs, my 3-1/2 years of service in Southeast Asia matters not the least to those who are so thoughtlessly trying to make their point. |
So what you are say Stumy, is that you don't care at all that Mr. Kerry accussed you of routinely committing war crimes as a matter of course?
You want to be progressive, vote Nader. You want to forgive that kind of violation of your honor and integrity, then by all means, vote Kerry. You are a bigger man than many if you can get past his actions and words, because I don't know any veterans personally who are willing to let that kind of accusation against them go.
That is, unless you're one of the guys the he's talking about. And not to insult you further, but: Or unless you aren't what you represent yourself to be. If you ARE who you say you are, then you will understand perfectly what I just said.
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| Quote: | | Mr. Kerry accussed you of routinely committing war crimes as a matter of course? |
That's ********. Kerry reported the widespread nature of those crimes but didn't suggest everyone who served there committed them. Just because you generalize or stereotype doesn't mean everyone else is. |
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| Quote: | | I love how easily some assault my understanding of things military just because I am a progressive and am supporting Kerry. Like Cleland's three lost limbs, my 3-1/2 years of service in Southeast Asia matters not the least to those who are so thoughtlessly trying to make their point. |
You've got my respect for your service and sacrifices, Stumpy, as does Max Cleland. It sounds as if you came away with a great deal of wisdom. |
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| sparky wrote: | | Quote: | | Mr. Kerry accussed you of routinely committing war crimes as a matter of course? |
That's Bullcrap. Kerry reported the widespread nature of those crimes but didn't suggest everyone who served there committed them. Just because you generalize or stereotype doesn't mean everyone else is. |
The "bullcrap" is that KERRY COMMITTED WAR CRIMES HIMSELF, AND YOU DON'T CARE. AND HE THEN PROCEEDED TO SLANDER THOUSANDS OF OTHERS OVER THERE:
"I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people."
Who did he report those crimes TO? And why did he commit those crimes himself?
See.... you don't give a rip. It doesn't matter to you how many people Kerry murdered. It doesn't matter to you that he ADMITS he murdered people. You don't care. And that makes you no better then he is, Sparky.
And that's just sad. |
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sparky
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You bet I care. I just don't equate what Kerry reported as being slander, mainly because I believe it was true.
I also don't believe he accused every Vietnam Vet of committing "war crimes."
And he didn't use the term "war crimes" or "murder" to describe what he did over there.
Your hyperbole and dramatic exaggeration isn't going to work with me. |
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JasonBinPNW
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| sparky wrote: | You bet I care. I just don't equate what Kerry reported as being slander, mainly because I believe it was true.
I also don't believe he accused every Vietnam Vet of committing "war crimes."
And he didn't use the term "war crimes" or "murder" to describe what he did over there.
Your hyperbole and dramatic exaggeration isn't going to work with me. |
You don't belive what he said was slander because you don't believe it? OK, even Kerry has stepped forward and said his statements were overly braod, and overly strong and were a result of his "emotional thinking" on the matter.
He admitted that he lied. So what you are saying is that you don't believe him now? Or you didn't believe him then?
PS, Just because you learned a new word today, doesn't mean you should use it improperly. (Sorry for that small tangent, don't try to impress us with big words, we've seen your work already.)
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: | You bet I care. I just don't equate what Kerry reported as being slander, mainly because I believe it was true.
I also don't believe he accused every Vietnam Vet of committing "war crimes."
And he didn't use the term "war crimes" or "murder" to describe what he did over there.
Your hyperbole and dramatic exaggeration isn't going to work with me. |
And your self-delusion and ignorance of the facts won't work with anyone else.
FACT: Kerry has admitted to committing atrocities.
FACT: Atrocities are, by definition, crimes against humanity.
FACT: Crimes against humanity are, again, by definition, war crimes.
That you fail to accept that is meaningless. That you support a self-confessed war criminal is your cross to bear. |
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JasonBinPNW
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 5:08 am Post subject: |
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IF A = B
And If B = C
Then unless you're a DNC Borg Drone Troll, it must follow that A ALSO = C.
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sparky
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| Quote: | | Atrocities are, by definition, crimes against humanity. |
I can understand why you're tempted to stretch meanings, but I'm not buying it.
| Quote: | | He admitted that he lied. So what you are saying is that you don't believe him now? Or you didn't believe him then? |
He never "admitted that he lied." That's just more hyperbole. To believe that your previous comments were emotionally influenced doesn't mean you lied.
And I agree with him: those things weren't atrocities. I think he was too hard on himself (emotionally influenced) and after further reflection, he did too. Atrocities, to me, include the things done by Tiger Force and Lt. Calley's crew. Kerry behaved himself quite well in comparison.
He should be proud of his service there, as should many Vietnam Vets. |
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JasonBinPNW
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What planet do you live on?
You're a Kerry Moonie.
You're not worth addressing any further. You're like one of those last ditch Nazi's you see on bad television who go into a euphoric state when they hear the fuhers words on tape... YOU are a bad episode of Perry Mason.
Worst, you're a Nihilist. You can justify ANYTHING as long as it fits into your world view... even denile of facts. You fold them neatly, ignoring the logic associated with them, then use the parts you like in order to justify your beliefs to yourself.
I pity you.
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