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War Dog
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CGC is right, let's move on!

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redhawk34
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CGC, I agree entirely with your post, but I'd like to point out that in the Delta, we all worked together so much that we all knew each other's strengths and weaknesses pretty well. I've worked with Swifts and PBRs, as well as the MRF boats, tied alongside, drunk beer with them and traded stuff. As I recall, a two pound can of Navy cofffee went for a case of beer, two cases if it was Hamm's. Army coffee was "lowest bidder."
I've grounded alongside PBRs and Swifts, and it was pretty obvious that the forward Fifties were suitable only for anti-aircraft fire in that situation. The Swift's speed and firepower suited them perfectly to river superiority, but we knew they had to be very careful of their props. We had a huge iron skeg under ours, but the PBRs with their jet drives could go places neither of us could. We had the advantage of size and capacity.
We usually didn't know each other's units, We were the "Army Pukes", and they were the "Navy Pukes", and we all mucked in together.
They were men you could trust your back to.
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Doc Jerry
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:44 pm    Post subject: Doug: not logical Reply with quote

With all due respect Doug, it defies logic for any veteran to vote for Kerry considering:

...He maligned an entire generation of veterans and has never apologized.
...Consistently voted against pay raises for the military
...Is not supported by a majority of those with whom he served, including
his commanding officers.
...In 1995 he proposed a bill cutting $1.5 million from the intelligence
budget and proposed cutting intelligence in subsquent budgets.
...Missed critical votes in Congress.
...Associates himself with the lunatic elements on the Left side of the
aisle.
...And all of the above does not even include the fact he cannot make
a decision OR take a consistent position on any significant issue.

Not only veterans, but no person in his right mind should vote for this loser. He's a fake, phony and fraud.

GO AIR FORCE!!!
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DougReese
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Doug: not logical Reply with quote

Doc Jerry wrote:
With all due respect Doug, it defies logic for any veteran to vote for Kerry considering:

...He maligned an entire generation of veterans and has never apologized.
...Consistently voted against pay raises for the military
...Is not supported by a majority of those with whom he served, including
his commanding officers.
...In 1995 he proposed a bill cutting $1.5 million from the intelligence
budget and proposed cutting intelligence in subsquent budgets.
...Missed critical votes in Congress.
...Associates himself with the lunatic elements on the Left side of the
aisle.
...And all of the above does not even include the fact he cannot make
a decision OR take a consistent position on any significant issue.

Not only veterans, but no person in his right mind should vote for this loser. He's a fake, phony and fraud.

GO AIR FORCE!!!


All due respect taken, but . . . .

In that case it appears that about half the country are not in their right mind. . . . . . not that that is impossible, but I doubt it.

Doug
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redhawk34
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug;
"In that case it appears that about half the country are not in their right mind. . . . . . not that that is impossible, but I doubt it. "

Well, maybe sorta Misguided, like.
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cgc
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:24 pm    Post subject: Voting for Kerry Reply with quote

Time is supposed to heal all wounds, In the case of Americans it also heals a lot of memories, We are a nation with short memories, and in the case of Viet Nam, probably 50% of the Country has no memories, or very little. Thats why I believe Kerry enjoys whatever support he does. We have elected many Veterans to the Office of President. Grant, Eisenhower, Carter, Reagan, to name a few. What Kerry lacks is honor, commitment, strong convictions and the ability to see things through to the end. In fact he is betting we have forgot his past. And the one thing that he can dredge up to make him electable, (his war record) is tainted by his behavior after leaving to come home. No Thanks, if this is the best person the democratic party can put forward to lead this country we're in trouble. I listen to President Bush, he has the stomache to see it through, His convictions are those of my Parents and Aunts and Uncles and those who fought and sacrificed for this country and made it into what now seems others want to tear down. Kerry doesn't have the safety of our country, the future of the our freedom as his best interests. He wants another tick on his resume, he wants to be able to press his sad agenda of appeasement on the rest of us. Nope, we had better step back and rerun the videos of the planes crashing into the towers, of the people jumping to their death. And then hope George Bush doesn't change his mind about running against this imposter. Dig me a foxhole, put me in a tank, assign me to a airplane crew, put me on a ship or small boat, the person I would trust with my back is Bush. The person I trust with the protection of this country agains enemies both foreign and domestic is Bush, John Kerry would sell us all for a photo op.

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cgc
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:34 pm    Post subject: redhawk 34 Reply with quote

Ok redhawk I hear you. maybe a little of that swift boat pride surfaced after all these years. I guess I get defensive about people telling me how we operated and where we operated, and how they were armed and what they could and couldn't do. By the way, I do remember you Army guys very well, If it wasn't for the U.S. Army I would'nt be hear posting on this board. That's another story.
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Theresa Alwood
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug

Out of courisity...why are you voting for Kerry? I know my reasons for voting for President Bush is because I like and respect the man. I may not always agree with his decisions, nor understand some of his belief's, but when I look at John Kerry he really, really, really scares me as a commander-in-chief...and I think most of the vets on this sight feel that way also...plus other hard feelings that they are justified in having. I have watched John Kerry's record, I have watched his actions, his "he voted for the 87 billion dollars before he voted against it". His I don't own SUV's, my family does. What was up with that? He will stop Bush tax cuts....why is it that the democrats feel that MY HARD EARNED MONEY IS THEIRS>>>? I know for the first time since my husband retired in 2001 this past year was the first time we did not have to pay!!!! So those so called tax cuts that were only for the rich...sure helped me! His record on defense should be an eyeopener for anyone in the military. It was down right unbelieable! Doug, Doug Doug....just wonder why you are on these website since there is nothing you can do or say that will change our minds. These men and women are very much against John Kerry. I think if it came down between Kerry and Nadar I would vote for Nadar over Kerry....that is how much that man scares me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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redhawk34
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"Speaking only for myself as a Vietnam veteran, until evidence comes forward that Mr. Kerry betrayed his fellow veterans, he will come November received my support. "


"until evidence comes forward"!!!!!??????

Larry, the Congressional Record isn't good enough for you? Maybe, if you've drunk the Kool Aid, you can ignore Kerry's testimony branding us all as guilty of rape, murder, atrocity, etc., but don't pretend the evidence doesn't exist.

Have the guts to admit that party politics makes all that forgivable (or ignorable) to you.

"until evidence comes forward"

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redhawk34 wrote:
Have the guts to admit that party politics makes all that forgivable (or ignorable) to you.


Amen, redhawk34!

I won't ignore it. I won't forgive it.

If Kerry was now a pro-defense, anti-terror Republican, I wouldn't forgive it.

What he contributed to was the marginalization of a generation of soldiers who answered this country's call.

Men killed themselves over the "welcome home" they got from our culture.

Men who had just done what their country asked them to do, and tried to do it with honor and courage and loyalty.

I will NEVER forgive that. Kerry and Ramsey Clark and Al Hibbard and Hanoi Jane and all of their ilk should have been tried for giving aid and comfort to the enemy many years ago.

At the very least THEY should have been subjected to the derision and ostracizing that THEY had encouraged our culture to heap on our returning soldiers. Maybe, just MAYBE, they're getting a little taste of it, now. TFB. I can only hope.

Let them all rot together on the same "ash heap of history."

That Kerry got as far as the US Senate is bad enough.

CinC??? What kind of alternate universe do you have to live in that this man is even considered an honorable human being, much less a prospect for leader of the free world?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larry

It is clear you did NOT read my post all the way through...I said I WAS voting for George W. Bush...and for your information I am a vet and proudly served my country just like every other person that is posting on this website...I also said that I would vote Nader over Kerry....meaning Kerry is the last man on the ballot I would vote for. I may have only served active duty for 4 years, but my husband served 22...and everyone who knows that a military wife also serves by her husband. I have had to be both mother and father to my children while my husband was gone...and there were sometimes that our front door was revolving.

The hardest job in this country is being a spouse to someone who is active duty. While we must understand the mission we are left behind not only to deal with the every day hassles but most of us have no family around to help. It is the job that no on recognizes, receives no pay, and the only person who appreciates what you do is the men (or women) who leave you behind. No other jobs pays so little, works long hours and is often unappreciated other than those who are military.

My family does not understand the sacrifies we have made as a family to be supportive of the men and women who we are married to. Am I a little offended. Yes I am. I may have only worn the actual unform for 4 years, but I was the person to make sure that uniform was ready for 20. I am damn proud and when my husband retired he told me he had no shame for what he did for 22 years that he was proud to have served his country and being a service man or women is a honorable profession.
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