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[tigerflyboy]

Credibility,
The main thing I have a problem with is you paitn GW Bush as a saint, never does anything wrong, hmmm just like the way GW Bush does not ever admit when he's wrong!

Iraq is not the central front in the war on terror, or at least it should not be, Afghanastan was the central front with the camps and the number of terrorist. Bush brought Iraq into play when he decided to invade. I do agree that Sadam needed to go, but I don't think a full scale invasion was needed. should have been a covert action, take him out and move on.
If we had finished Afgan 1st then tkaen out Sadam we might not be in the mess we are in now, loosing as many good troop as often.

Jobs, that is not old information, I was laid off in Sept of 2003, and am still out of work, both in my old career, and my new path jobs are short. My daughter Graduated from Dental assisting school in Dec of 2002 and still has not been able to find a job. yes some jobs have returned, but not near the level that "W" predicted and many have been farmed out to overseas job, thank you!
As for the Ken Lay I diagree it is relevent Enron was a major contributer to the Bush and he has known he much longer than he has admitted to, so it cold have influenced the engery policy. But that not even the issue. Bush said he did not know him before 1994, when in fact he did that contitues a falsehood, or lie.

About his past, must be nice to just sweep things under the rug, never had a DUI either huh. and has not done anything since the late 70's . Ok that's not a bald face lie, it's just a restructing of the truth. then when found out he changes his story for the benefit of "protecting his duaghters. BS

As for the white house admits, that pretty self Explanatory he said he read it he did not, I was always taught that if it looks,walks and sounds like a duck ... then it's a duck!
Finally yes the president is on duty 24/7 I have never said anything about his vacations I don't care if he says in Texas, as long as he's doing the job he was elected (ok appointed to) do.
Has Bush lied, with out a doubt, but so has everyother politician. Has he ever admitted to being wrong? not a chance in ...

As a stated before you made your decision long before this topic started, But know this Numbers can be manipluated in any direction you want to them to support you have to be willing to wade through all the information, to get a voice of truth

[nakona]

[tigerflyboy]

I give up, Nakona, You have the proof in front of you and refuse to aknowledge it. Bush has lied, will continue to lie, and that is a FACT. you believe what you want. I will continue to search for the truth through any avenue available

[nakona]

Two things:

1) Do not PM me. If you have something to say, say it here in public. If you PM me again I will inform the moderators that you're harassing me.

[DevilDon]

Hey TFB,
Have you forgotten this whole forum is about Kerry? I don't mean to sound the buzzer here and interrupt your debate, but don't you think you should get back to the fact that veterans are real sore about a guy who wants to be commander in chief who served "admirably" in the Vietnam war and then uses that service as his "Peter" to build his church?

Have you forgotten how he contributed to the polical war waged against America and the obvious attempts at our enemy to stir up and capitalize on the dissention here? Can you not see that some us have strong opinions about why this man can't be the next leader of the free world?

It seems you want to talk about Bush, there are many forums to discuss the merits or otherwise of GWB. This isn't the place IMHO. I don't want to discuss George Bush here. I didn't create this site, but I understand how it came to be. It's also clear what the agenda of this site is. You may not like that agenda, but if you don't want to discuss their agenda, why are you using it as your personal platform to discuss topics the founders never intended to address?

If you don't agree with that ideal, then why not, for the sake of those who want to discuss the agenda here, limit your questions about George Bush to those sites directly related to the past life and administration of George W. Bush?

Thank you in advance for your interest in providing up-to-the-minute news about George W. Bush and his politics. Can you tell me where I might find more regarding this and leave this board to the discussion it was intended?

And finally, can you see clear that you and your ilk are falling into the same old rhetoric of those years in denouncing a military action by the government of the U.S. which was backed by the Republicans and Democrats? Can you see that when you argue motives which are quite clear and dispell truths, you fall into the category of "sensationalist" and that there are literally hundreds of people with little political savvy who will listen to ill-advised "counsel" and "expert" opinion about an ongoing operation where the lives of many sons, daughters, husbands and wives are in peril because the enemy believes he is "winning the political war" here in the United States?

Shame on you for not understanding the past, shame on you for putting your political ideals before the better good of the country, shame on you for worrying about the warriors of this nation who are in good faith abolishing terrorism so that you may enjoy another day of political diatribe. Where the hell you people come from is beyond me, the truth of this whole thing is crystal clear and you can come here and say people don't see the truth is INCREDIBLE!

Black is white and up is down right? Terrorists killed thousands of innocent civilians, they intend to kill more, they will kill until we find a way to stop it. This will not be by conceding and condecending to their ways. It will not stop when we bow to world opinion. It will not cease as the millionth person is killed. These people are in it for victory, as should all combatants be. Victory will go to those who dictate the rules to the enemy, not conversely, as it has ever been.

Being a leader means taking contrary positions and sticking to them. If right? You are credited. If wrong? You're vilified by thousands. This was true in ancient days and it remains today. Your leader has stood against arguably "world" opinion and flown in the face of it and presses the fight to ensure the security of the nation. Please research the swearing in of the President and I'm convinced you'll have a new opinion about George W. Bush. He is simply following the oath he made on his inaugural day......

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."