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ccwebb
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 Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:36 pm Post subject: Let's demand that CBS apologize to the president! |
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and to also reveal their source........
The national guard story was a hit piece. The so-called Rather apology is a test ballon. Do not let this work!!!!
As Rush Limbaugh said today, "where is the apology to the president? Where is the anger at the source? Why is Rather hiding the identity of the source? Is it the Kerry campaign?"
go to
http://www.cbs.com
click on feedback at the bottom of the page and complete the form. If you block pop-ups you may have to hold down the control key to get the pop-up form.
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Rdtf
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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dmackto
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely we should demand at least that much. Feedback sent.. there was a link to a webpage with all the contact information for all the cbs sponsers. I can't seem to locate it. If someone would post that, I will send the same sentiments to all the sponsers as well.
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GoEagles
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Level of Agreement - 100%
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JCBoston
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Let's demand that CBS apologize to the president! |
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Sent mine.
| JCBoston wrote: | I would like to express my sincere disgust at the journalistic failures of your crew at 60 minutes II.
I believe that you owe every American an appology. Particularly George Bush.
Hiding behind the term "misled" is cowardly and only serves to make your organisation look even worse.
Salvage some shred of your integrity by doing the right thing...appologise to the President. |
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Kimmymac
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for posting that--feedback sent! |
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SangRun Hunter
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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I AM ABSOLUTELY F'ING OUTRAGED! GOD!!!!
DO THEY THINK THEY CAN JUST EXPLAIN THIS CRAP AWAY!
WE SEE THROUGH THEIR LIES SO EASILY!
For God sakes they tried to alter an election! Where do they get off?
Rather needs to be doing jail time in club FED for this! I'm so mad that these elitist think they can just make it go away.
They don't give one second to the Swift vets for their side of the coin. Honorable men who served their country so pissants like Rather can spout off any BS they feel like.
Rather isn't worthy of working for the National Enquirer if you ask me. Talk about feeling jaded! Man this just takes the whole F'ing cake!
BTW: I did send feedback as I have been daily to See BS.
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Bystander
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Wonder of see-B.S. will air the interview RAthER supposedly had with Burkett this weekend? Have sent off my email demanding an apology to Pres. Bush, along with one to the American people for carrying on this charade long after the 'pajama-clad' bloggers proved it bogus.
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Rdtf
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| SangRun Hunter wrote: | I AM ABSOLUTELY F'ING OUTRAGED! GOD!!!!
DO THEY THINK THEY CAN JUST EXPLAIN THIS CRAP AWAY!
WE SEE THROUGH THEIR LIES SO EASILY!
For God sakes they tried to alter an election! Where do they get off?
Rather needs to be doing jail time in club FED for this! I'm so mad that these elitist think they can just make it go away.
They don't give one second to the Swift vets for their side of the coin. Honorable men who served their country so pissants like Rather can spout off an BS they feel like.
Rather isn't worthy of working for the National Enquirer if you ask me. Talk about feeling jaded! Man this just take the whole F'ing cake!
BTW: I did send feedback as I have been daily to See BS. |
In case you didn't see it: (just to outrage you a bit more:  )
(From nationalreviewonline)
September 15, 2004, 5:52 a.m.
The First Rathergate
The CBS anchors precarious relationship with the
truth.
By Anne Morse
Critics are calling the media scandal over the
Jerry Killian forgeries "Rathergate." But to
thousands of Vietnam veterans, the real
Rathergate took place 16 years ago when Dan
Rather successfully foisted a fraud onto the
American people. Then, unlike now, there was no
blogosphere to expose him.
On June 2, 1988, CBS aired an hour-long special
titled CBS Reports: The Wall Within, which CBS
trumpeted as the "rebirth of the TV documentary."
It purported to tell the true story of Vietnam
through the eyes of six of the men who fought
there. And what terrible stories they had to
tell.
"I think I was one of the highest trained,
underpaid, eighteen-cent-an-hour assassins ever
put together by a team of people who knew exactly
what they were looking for," said Steve
Southards, a Navy SEAL who told Rather he had
escaped society to live in the forests of
Washington state. Under Rather's gentle coaxing,
Southards described slaughtering Vietnamese
civilians, making his work appear to be that of
the North Vietnamese.
"You're telling me that you went into the
village, killed people, burned part of the
village, then made it appear that the other side
had done this?" Rather asked.
"Yeah," Steve replied. "It was kill VC, and I was
good at what I did."
Steve arrived home "in a straitjacket, addicted
to alcohol and drugs" knowing that "combat had
made him different," Rather intoned. "He asked
for help; that's unusual, many vets don't. They
hold back until they explode."
Rather then moved on to suicidal veteran named
George Grule, who was stationed on the aircraft
carrier Ticonderoga off the coast of Vietnam
during a secret mission. Grule described the
horror of watching a friend walk into the
spinning propeller of a plane, which chopped him
to pieces and sprayed Grule with his blood. The
memory of this trauma left Grule, like Steve,
unable to function in normal society.
Neither could Mikal Rice, who broke down as he
described a grenade attack at Cam Ranh Bay, which
blew in half the body of a buddy, "Sergeant
Call." "He died in my arms," Rice tearfully
recalled. Rice described how the sound of thunder
and cars backfiring would regularly trigger his
terrible memories.
Most horrific of all were the memories of Terry
Bradley, a "fighting sergeant" who told Rather he
had skinned alive 50 Vietnamese men, women, and
children in one hour and stacked their bodies in
piles. "Could you do this for one hour of your
life, you stack up every way a body could be
mangled, up into a body, an arm, a tit, an
eyeball . . . Imagine us over there for a year
and doing it intensely," Bradley said. "That is
sick."
"You've got to be angry about it," Rather
replied. "I'm suicidal about it," Bradley
responded.
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, drug abuse,
alcoholism, joblessness, homelessness, suicidal
thoughts: These tattered warriors suffered from
them all.
The The Wall Within was hailed by critics who
like the Washington Post's Tom Shales gushed
that the documentary was "extraordinarily
powerful." There was just one problem: Almost
none of it was true.
The truth was uncovered by B.G. Burkett, a
Vietnam veteran and author of Stolen Valor: How
the Vietnam Generation Was Robbed of its Heroes
and its History (with Glenna Whitley). Burkett
discovered that only one of the vets had actually
served in combat. Steve Southards, who'd claimed
to be a 16-year-old Navy SEAL assassin, had
actually served as an equipment repairman
stationed far from combat. Later transferred to
Subic Bay in the Philippines, Steve spent most of
his time in the brig for repeatedly going AWOL.
And George Gruel, who claimed he was traumatized
by the sight of his friend being chopped to
pieces by a propeller? Navy records reveal that a
propeller accident did take place on the
Ticonderoga when Gruel was aboard but that he
wasn't around when it happened. During Gruel's
tour, the ship had been converted to an
antisubmarine warfare carrier which operated, not
on "secret mission" along the Vietnam coast, but
on training missions off the California
coastline. Nevertheless, Burkett notes, Gruel
receives $1,952 a month from the Veterans
Administration for "psychological trauma" related
to an event he only heard about.
Mikal Rice the anguished vet who claimed to
have cradled his dying buddy in his arms
actually spent his tour as a guard with an MP
company at Cam Ranh Bay. He never saw combat.
Neither did Terry Bradley, who was not the
"fighting sergeant" he'd claimed to be. Instead,
military records reveal he served as an ammo
handler in the 25th Infantry Division and spent
nearly a year in the stockade for being AWOL.
That's good news for the hundreds of Vietnamese
civilians Bradley claimed to have slaughtered.
But it doesn't say much for Dan Rather's
credibility.
As Burkett notes, the records of all of these
vets were easily checkable through Freedom of
Information Act requests of their military
records something Rather and his producers
simply didn't bother to do. They accepted at face
value the lurid tales of atrocities committed in
Vietnam and the stories of criminal behavior,
drug addiction, and despair at home.
Perhaps that's because this is what they wanted
to believe. Says Burkett: The Wall Within
"precisely fit what Americans have grown to
believe about the Vietnam War and its veterans:
They routinely committed war crimes. They came
home from an immoral war traumatized, vilified,
then pitied. Jobless, homeless, addicted,
suicidal, they remain afflicted by inner
conflicts, stranded on the fringes of society."
Burkett, who did check the records of the vets
Rather interviewed, shared his discoveries with
CBS. So did Thomas Turnage, then administrator of
the Veterans Administration, who was appalled by
Rather's use of bogus statistics on the rates of
suicide, homelessness, and mental illness among
Vietnam veterans statistics that can also be
easily checked. Rather initially refused to
comment, and CBS spokeswoman Kim Akhtar said,
"The producers stand behind their story. They had
enough proof of who they are." For his part, CBS
president Howard Stringer defended the network
with irrelevancies. "Your criticisms were not
shared by a vast majority of our viewers," he
sniffed, adding that "CBS News and its affiliates
received acclaim from most quarters . . . In sum,
this was a broadcast of which we at CBS News and
I personally am proud. There are no apologies to
make."
Sarah Lee Pilley, who ran a restaurant in
Colville, Washington where the CBS crew dined
while filming The Wall Within, would not agree.
The wife of a retired Marine lieutenant colonel
who saw combat in Vietnam, Pilley, said she "got
the distinct feeling that CBS had a story they
had decided on before they left New York." After
interviewing 87 Vietnam veterans, CBS chose the
"four or five saddest cases to put on the film,"
Pilley said. "The factual part of it didn't seem
to matter as long as they captured the high drama
and emotion that these few individuals offered.
We felt all along that CBS committed tremendous
exploitation of some very sick individuals."
Why would Dan Rather do such a thing? Partly
because the stories of deranged, trip-wire vets
is much more dramatic than the true story: That
most Vietnam veterans came home to live normal,
productive, happy lives. Second, Rather
apparently wanted the story of whacked-out
Vietnam veterans to be true just as he now
wants the Jerry Killian story to be true.
Or maybe despite a preponderance of the
evidence he considered the sources of these
tales of Vietnam atrocities "unimpeachable." As
angry Vietnam veterans began calling CBS to
complain about the factual inaccuracies of The
Wall Within, Perry Wolff, the executive producer
who wrote the documentary, claimed that "No one
has attacked us on the facts." Despite the
growing evidence that he'd been had, Rather also
continued to defend the documentary which is
now part of CBS's video history series on the
Vietnam War.
Perhaps Vietnam veterans ought to take a page out
of the book of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
and air television ads exposing Rather's deceits
something along the lines of: "Dan Rather lied
about his Vietnam documentary. I know. I was
there. I saw what happened. When the chips were
down, you could not count on Dan Rather."
Certainly, we cannot count on him for the truth.
During a 1993 speech to the Radio and Television
News Directors Association, Rather criticized his
colleagues for competing with entertainment shows
for "dead bodies, mayhem, and lurid tales." "We
should all be ashamed of what we have and have
not done, measured against what we could do,"
Rather said.
Thousands of Vietnam veterans not to mention
the Bush campaign would agree.
Anne Morse is a writer living in Maryland. |
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debewley
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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An apology to the president or the American people is totally inadequate IMO.
We need to know the source of these fake documents.
We need to know who Rather's "unimpeachable" source was.
We need CBS to air the statements of the Killian's and others who said that Mr. Bush served honorably.
We need to know who at CBS was responsible for this atrocity and how soon will they be required to clean out their desk.
Most of all we need a pledge that this type of blatantly partisan "journalism" will not happen again at CBS.
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Steve Z
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:10 pm Post subject: Apology to the President |
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YES--we must all DEMAND that CBS publicly apologize (during primetime on "60 Minutes") to President George W. Bush for having slandered him based on fraudulent documents, and formally retract all claims CBS made against him on the September 8 broadcast.
CBS saying that "they were misled" is not enough--their false reporting offended the President of the United States, to whom they owe an apology.
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stevek
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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We should demand an apology to the president and demand that Blather be fired.
Let's all make an effort!!!!!! |
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Kimmymac
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Location: Texas
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Rdtf: That is powerful stuff. Thanks for posting that. I think it deserves it's own thread, and needs to go out all over the place.
I think it is important to remember that this is not the first fraud perpetrated on the American people by C?BS! and Rather. God willing it will be, however, be the last. |
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integritycounts
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Rather should resign.
If he was not biased, he would have interviewed some Swift-vets
He is biased and he uses his position for his agenda....not the news as the news |
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Rdtf
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimmymac wrote: | Rdtf: That is powerful stuff. Thanks for posting that. I think it deserves it's own thread, and needs to go out all over the place.
I think it is important to remember that this is not the first fraud perpetrated on the American people by C?BS! and Rather. God willing it will be, however, be the last. |
I thought it was powerful too. It does have a thread already - but it's in the main forum so I thought it was worth posting it here too.
Subject:
Good Article on Another Fake Rather Vietnam Documentary
http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9964 |
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