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The bandit
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 Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 4:01 am Post subject: The Truth Behind the SwiftVets Photo |
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nakona
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Why are the N/A's, "N/A"?
I thought at first they were deceased, but then I saw one of the other guys labeled "deceased"
So what does "N/A" mean?
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ASPB
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| nakona wrote: | Why are the N/A's, "N/A"?
I thought at first they were deceased, but then I saw one of the other guys labeled "deceased"
So what does "N/A" mean? |
1 Deceased, 1 a journalist who won't get involved, and 1 who does want to be involved one side or the other. He must live Switzerland? 
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DougReese
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| ASPB wrote: | | nakona wrote: | Why are the N/A's, "N/A"?
I thought at first they were deceased, but then I saw one of the other guys labeled "deceased"
So what does "N/A" mean? |
1 Deceased, 1 a journalist who won't get involved, and 1 who does want to be involved one side or the other. He must live Switzerland? |
I'm thinking N/A means something like Not Available -- either can't be found, or don't care to comment -- and there are four of them.
There are two who are deceased, and this apparently doesn't include Dan Droz (this is the first time I've seen the photo with names) who was KIA April 12.
But as for the journalist, Tom, who is that? I can think of one (Bill Rood), but to my surprise, he's not in the photo either.
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ASPB
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Doug,
Here's what Swiftvets say about the photo. My earlier post was from memory looks like it may have been wrong. Don't confuse this with list of officers that served with Kerry that signed the basic letter.
| Quote: | Kerry Fraudulently Using Picture of Swift Boat Vets who Condemn him in National Advertising
(May 17-Alexandria, VA) Today, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group of more than 220 Swift Boat veterans from the unit in which John Kerry served, call on Kerry to stop the unauthorized use of their images in national campaign advertising.
For example, the photo in Kerry’s national campaign ads contains 20 officers, including Kerry, 11 of whom signed a letter condemning Kerry yet their image is being widely used in his own campaign. It was taken on the island of An Thoi on January 22, 1969. These officers together with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth call upon him to cease the unauthorized use of their photo by his campaign. They are jointly submitting the attached letter to John Kerry. (Photo, letter to Kerry, link to authorized use of the photo and earlier letter to Kerry below.)
Of the remaining eight officers in the photo: two are deceased and four do not wish to be involved in any manner; only two of the 20 are believed to support Kerry.
William Shumadine, shown in the photo and a member of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, stated, “His use of a photograph with his 19 comrades with knowledge that 11 of them condemn him and six who cannot or do not want to be involved is a complete misrepresentation to the public and a total fraud.”
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth’s sole purpose is to bring the truth about John Kerry’s service to the American public and is not affiliated with any political organization. It includes more than 220 Swift vets, virtually the entire chain of command Kerry reported to and a large majority of peers who served with him during his short and controversial stay in Vietnam. The group’s purpose has struck a cord with the American public with more than two million hits on its website Swiftvets.com
“John Kerry will find that the truth is hard to contain. It’s been evident in the overwhelming support we have received over the last two weeks. We’re grateful to the veterans and Americans who are rallying behind us,” said Admiral Roy Hoffman, Chairman of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is a Special Purpose Political Action Committee. It is a tax exempt non-partisan public advocacy “527”organization consisting of, and limited to, former military officers and enlisted men who served in Vietnam on U.S. Navy Swift Boats or in affiliated commands. Chairman, Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann (retired). Treasurer, Weymouth “Wey” Symmes, PO Box 26184, Alexandria, VA 22313 www.swiftvets.com
Dear Senator Kerry:
Your campaign advertising includes a picture of the 20 officers photographed at An Thoi. We did not give permission for you to use a photo including our image, nor do we support you. We have, in fact, signed a letter delivered to you calling on you to authorize the Department of Defense to release all of your medical and military records. We call upon you personally to do this. We join our fellow Swiftees who believe that someone who heaped scorn and lies on his own unit for his personal political gain is not fit to be Commander in Chief.
Signers Names in Bold
Kneeling (left to right)
William Imbrie (not involved)
Skip Barker (for Kerry)
Rich Baker (not involved)
William Shumadine
Ralph Dobson (for Kerry)
Frank Gilbert (deceased)
Standing (left to right)
Robert Elder
Larry Thurlow
Robert Crosby (deceased)
Rich MaCann (not involved)
John Kerry
Thomas Heritage
George Bates
James Galvin
Terrance Costello
Back Row (left to right)
William Hoole
Michael Bernique (not involved)
Robert “Rocky” Hildreth
George Elliott
Al French |
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DougReese
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ASPB wrote: | Doug,
Here's what Swiftvets say about the photo. My earlier post was from memory looks like it may have been wrong. Don't confuse this with list of officers that served with Kerry that signed the basic letter.
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You were thinking of Bill Rood -- I had always assumed he was in the photo, but he isn't. Anyway, I may have mentioned to you that he was a journalist (he is) and doesn't want to comment because of that.
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The bandit
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| DougReese wrote: |
Anyway, I may have mentioned to you that he was a journalist (he is) and doesn't want to comment because of that.
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Is that what he told you when you ringed him up like you did with Rassmann? |
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DougReese
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| The bandit wrote: | | DougReese wrote: |
Anyway, I may have mentioned to you that he was a journalist (he is) and doesn't want to comment because of that.
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Is that what he told you when you ringed him up like you did with Rassmann? |
Actually, I was first told that by Michael Kranish of the Boston Globe.
I'm happy whenever I have a chance to talk to someone I served with in Vietnam. I served with Rassmann. I served with Rood.
Just Friday I spoke for a long time to a Swift Boat guy who was there when I was, and beyond. It was interesting to hear what went on after I left, and also to hear things from the perspective of someone on those boats.
He didn't need to do an FOIA on me to know I was there, by the way.
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ASPB
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Doug,
We'd really like to hear what your heard from the Swiftie you spoke to. That is if your fingers have the strength  
Tom
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Cam Ranh '71
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:10 am Post subject: N/A v. N/A |
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N/A = Not Applicable OR
N/A = Not Available [like my Navy friend who spent 7 1/2 years in the Hanoi Hilton] TRUE |
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