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fortdixlover
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:32 am    Post subject: Schizophrenia at the Phila. Inquirer Reply with quote

Schizophrenia at the Phila. Inquirer

This newspaper's editors just don't get it about backing up assertions with facts...they call for Rather's removal for his airing of false documents:

If CBS News is to salvage its credibility, Rather must go. Whether or not his producer did most of the prep work for this report, Rather put his weighty seal of approval on the story. Such carelessness by a veteran journalist, especially on a high-profile story about a sitting president in the heat of a campaign, has irreparably damaged Rather's credibility. His apology Monday night was overdue. Viewers are now left to wonder whether a veteran anchor was blinded by competitive juices or, worse and more unlikely, motivated by partisan bias. That kind of taint won't wash off, even in a hurricane.

Then they state: (!)

But don't let the smoke of this blunder utterly obscure the story beneath. There is little doubt that Bush received preferential treatment to get into the National Guard so he could avoid more dangerous service in Vietnam. After doing so, he went missing for many months during his six-year commitment. Apparently, at the time, he was a somewhat aimless twenty-something who was years away from settling down and becoming the man who would become president. All this, which was known in 2000, should hardly matter, were it not for the screaming hypocrisy of Bush supporters throwing mud on John F. Kerry's decorated service in Vietnam.

Finally, they note:

..... The blogosphere is citizen dialogue in action, which is great. If bloggers' watchdogging makes journalists more careful, that's also great. The real lesson for the mainstream media is a very old one: Get the facts right. Speed without accuracy is no good.

Yeh. Get the f'in facts straight. Speed without accuracy just ain't no good. Twisted Evil

Ummm...dear Phila. Inquirer, I have a question: where, exactly, are your documents proving your assertions about President Bush? Ohhh --- you have no documents that you can prove are genuine --- I see. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

And General Staudt has something to say about these issues, too, at http://herald-zeitung.com/story.lasso?ewcd=a52a42e53f6b2fed : "The subject started when [Bush’s] daddy ran for vice president, and it’s been going on ever since. I don’t have much to tell. It’s simple to me. There was no political influence."


-- FDL

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Phila. Inquirer Editorial | The CBS Hoax

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/9725429.htm

Memo to Dan: It's time to go.

The unforced error served up by CBS News about President Bush's service in the National Guard is not the end of mainstream journalism as we know it. But it ought to spell the end of Dan Rather's career.

As mistakes go, this one was colossal. CBS and Rather rushed pell-mell to broadcast apparently bogus memos, which purported to show Bush had disobeyed a direct order to take a physical exam in the National Guard in the 1970s.

We now know the network aired the story despite warnings from documents analysts that the memos might be phony. The source of the documents, retired National Guard official Bill Burkett, finally admitted this week that he lied to CBS about where he obtained the memos. CBS News officials still cannot satisfy themselves about the documents' origins.

If CBS News is to salvage its credibility, Rather must go. Whether or not his producer did most of the prep work for this report, Rather put his weighty seal of approval on the story. Such carelessness by a veteran journalist, especially on a high-profile story about a sitting president in the heat of a campaign, has irreparably damaged Rather's credibility. His apology Monday night was overdue.

Viewers are now left to wonder whether a veteran anchor was blinded by competitive juices or, worse and more unlikely, motivated by partisan bias. That kind of taint won't wash off, even in a hurricane.

*** But don't let the smoke of this blunder utterly obscure the story beneath. There is little doubt that Bush received preferential treatment to get into the National Guard so he could avoid more dangerous service in Vietnam. After doing so, he went missing for many months during his six-year commitment. Apparently, at the time, he was a somewhat aimless twenty-something who was years away from settling down and becoming the man who would become president. All this, which was known in 2000, should hardly matter, were it not for the screaming hypocrisy of Bush supporters throwing mud on John F. Kerry's decorated service in Vietnam. ***

Whether Bush's Guard duty matters much to you or not, the most pressing question has to be why so much energy and ink are being lavished on what these candidates did during a war that ended 30 years ago, rather than what they've done, and would do, about the urgent quagmire in Iraq.

The best thing might be a moratorium on the distracting phrases Swift boat and Texas National Guard for the rest of the campaign.

A footnote: Some analysts seem eager to declare this episode the death knell for the so-called major media. Not by a longshot.

Writers for Web logs - or blogs - began the questioning of the bogus documents. Bravo to the "blogosphere" for that. But other "old media" such as newspapers nailed the story down and drove it home.

The blogosphere is citizen dialogue in action, which is great. If bloggers' watchdogging makes journalists more careful, that's also great. The real lesson for the mainstream media is a very old one: Get the facts right. Speed without accuracy is no good.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But don't let the smoke of this blunder utterly obscure the story beneath. There is little doubt that Bush received preferential treatment to get into the National Guard so he could avoid more dangerous service in Vietnam. After doing so, he went missing for many months during his six-year commitment. Apparently, at the time, he was a somewhat aimless twenty-something who was years away from settling down and becoming the man who would become president. All this, which was known in 2000, should hardly matter, were it not for the screaming hypocrisy of Bush supporters throwing mud on John F. Kerry's decorated service in Vietnam.



Memo to the Editor, Philly Inq.

Yeah, he volunteered for one of 166 OPEN slots in the TANG for aviators with a death wish to fly the pilot killer F-102A Delta Dart. That plane killed MORE pilots than OICs died commanding Swift Boats in Vietnam. Not to say Swift duty wasn't DANGEROUS, it flat out was fatal for many. But to denigrate the VOLUNTEER service that George Bush willingly gave by saying flying Air Defense interceptors was somehow "safer" than serving in Vietnam is just plain *wrong*.

And to say that he got PREFERENTIAL treatment is a lie that somehow keeps circulating DESPITE the overwheming evidence to the contrary. There was a KNOWN and CONTINUOUS shortage of pilots for the F-102A throughout its service, because the plane had a well-established history of being FATAL to fly.

And being gone for months at a time was FINE if you had the COs approval, and you had your points PRE-LOADED to cover any absense. This was -- and to my knowledge -- always has been, SOP in the Guard. By the time GWB finished his TANG service, he had enough points to cover 15 *YEARS* of service, far more than the minimum requirement of 6 years of service.

It seems like the Philly Inq is going to get hoisted on its own petard if it keeps perpetrating a known lie, when the truth is out there, if they'd just bother to do a little fact-checking.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

awesome letter cipher...wish there was a way to get that message out to the entire country!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cipher wrote:
It seems like the Philly Inq is going to get hoisted on its own petard if it keeps perpetrating a known lie, when the truth is out there, if they'd just bother to do a little fact-checking.


It goes back to the essay I penned a few days ago:

The rancor of the left-wing campaign against George Bush, along with the communications revolution of the Internet and the clear technologic incompetence of the MSM, has created a "perfect storm." This storm has exposed a deadly serious issue far beyond Dan Rather' incompetence as a journalist. In fact, with a few exceptions they're all bad journalists, as they belong to a journalistic system that is terminally defective.

What needs to be understood is that it's not just CBS that is the problem, but the entire traditional media establishment. And while CBS might have committed the most egregious abuses, can one really think that ABC, NBC or PBS are any better? We need to take from this lesson more than just "Dan Rather is a bad journalist." The lesson is that the entire traditional media establishment is intellectually diseased, sclerotic and corrupt. It will be a source of harm against the American public for as long as it remains unchallenged, unrepentant, and unreformed.

The overriding issue is that any entity with great authority but without appropriate accountability will inevitably become corrupt. Yesterday CBS spokeswoman Sandy Genelius brushed off General "Buck" Staudt's comments in splendid totalitarian style: "In a debate this heated, one can hardly expect Gen. Staudt to endorse the point of view that he exerted undue influence", she said. In other words, General Staudt can hardly be expected to admit his guilt, the guilt that we at CBS "know" is true.

What, exactly, is the difference between what CBS is doing - with Rather demanding that Bush "respond to the charges against him" despite the fraudulence of the evidence - and People's Court-led communist show trials of the Soviet era, or the persecutions of the McCarthy era?

None, really. An absolute and corrupt authority, either on the left or the right, will eventually devolve to committing unjust excesses. Why? Power corrupts. Mainstream media has had enormous, unchallenged power for the last forty years. Much like inbreeding, this has led to degeneracy.

The Internet and its bloggers have altered the playing field very suddenly and dramatically. It took a revolution in communications technology, combined with media myopia and arrogance, for this Perfect Storm to emerge. So sudden is the change, in fact, that the technology-illiterate in the mainstream media clearly are not yet able to grasp just how much their profession has come under scrutiny. The "Theatre of the Absurd" that still emanates from outlets such as CBS news, the Boston Globe, and the LA Times show just how stubborn and resistant to this unpleasant reality the mainstream media is.

Rathergate is more than a scandal, it is a symptom of a disease and a call to arms. We must go beyond asking how to get rid of Dan Rather, and ask what needs to be done to stop the systematic and pervasive distortion of information fed to the American public.


-- FDL
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't stop there. This charade includes the newspapers and multitude of magazines. They end up quoting each other so much the original source of any information gets totally lost (if it ever existed in the first place).

Today I happened to watch a CNN reporter interviewing other reporters traveling on the Kerry campaign bus (all of whom were Kerry supporters) as if that was news.

Some years ago someone wrote a book on a topic called "pseudo-news." It got some attention at the time, and some commentary, and then was forgotten. We're seeing an illustrated example of that phenomenon in spades right now.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:23 am    Post subject: Document on open TANG slots Reply with quote

I have been looking for something about this:

[quote="cipher"]
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volunteered for one of 166 OPEN slots in the TANG


Can you post a link or give me the source for this number of open pilot slots? I have heard it said that there was a waiting list for the guard in general, but no waiting list for the pilot slots. But I haven't been able to find any documentation.

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