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Unfortunately, what one perceives to be "Atrocities" another sees "Whats the big deal. I personally won't vote for Kerry, as watching him throw his ribbons is more than I can bear to, I will say this. About 10 years after I got out of the Khe Sanh area,(Around Jan20,6 Cool

I had 8 1/2 months in the bush. Upon leaving I was praying our plane would make it off the runway without taking small arms fire.
Got home, went to work as a P.I. doing insurance defense work. Surveillance on fraudulent claimants making back injuries and the like against large ins. co's.
Then it happened. This gal gets into a car wreck and claims PTSD. One wreck, one time and ruined for life. I went out to see my doc at the VA and he told me the definition has been in the past "A traumatic event happening to an individual over an extended period of time" Well this didn't obviously apply as the accident she claimed did occur over a long period of time. PTSD could be a person molested over a good part of thier childhood, and abusive parent, till the child was old enough to leave home. While you and I (Other combat vets) No offense to those who were not, were subjected to it everyday, someone dropping napalm in the morning smelled GREAT to me. BUt it was no big deal. I really believe Kerrys 4 1/2 months in the Nam was so terrifying to him, it was enough to start V V A W.
He became in the spotlight so much at the time that even he wavered back then from V V A to V V A W. I truly believe he was getting so much attention(and loved it) that it cast him in a spotlight not being sure what platform he was on. Of course this is all speculative, however, what is not is him throwing his ribbons, medals, whatever will leave an impression on me that I won't ever forget. Maybe some of you in deep combat vets can reply to this. Everyone has his limits and Kerrys is very short. Some of us had more of a tolerance for what we did and did not do. No excuses for Kerry, just a pogue for a leader. One we don't need.
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Nomorelies · Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:23 am Post subject:

Kerry was anti-war before he ever enlisted. He found life aboard the U.S. S. Gridley to be primitive and wrote home to his fiance (Judith Thorne) that there was danger all around all the while he was aboard ship 6000 miles away from Nam. Go figure.
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300zxuser · Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:20 am Post subject: Napalm

Kerry waffles so much I am not sure that even back then he knew what it was he was doing. I having a hard time believing that this was his "MASTER PLAN", for his future. Someone who is anti-war , one would think, would do whatever was necessary to get out of the military. I know his family had the cash. Did he really see this as an opportunity or testing the waters with his big toe?
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Rdtf · CNO Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville

300zxuser · Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:59 pm Post subject: Napalm

I agree with Pappy and Rdtf, what's the big friggin deal?
And yes, PTSD is real, every nigh when I go to sleep, I think about it, or at least my friends that were killed and the ones I killed.
S/F
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shooter · Seaman Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 180 Location: New Mexico

What really burns me are the names that were added to the wall because of what Kerry did when he got back. I will never forgive that bastard for that.

I drive past "Hanoi Jane's" ranch everyday and never fail to render the one finger salute !!

Vote for a Democrat? Vote for those that spit on me and called me a baby killer? Vote for those who shredded and disgraced our military? Vote for those who don't have the guts to stand up for this country when we're attacked?

NOT IN THIS LIFETIME !!!
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300zxuser · Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:10 am Post subject: Fonda

Turner and Fonda had a big ranch here in NM but then he divorced her, so I don's know what she got out of the settlement. I do know she was here last week (In Albuquerque) getting women out to vote. If I had known ahead of time I would have been down there myself protesting and using profane language (Sailors taught me) while in the corps, but the next thing I knew I read about it in the paper the next day that she was here. I will never forget her for her being her. Fragging her would have been to good a sentence. Live and learn.
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shooter · Seaman Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 180 Location: New Mexico

300zxuser · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:45 pm Post subject: Hanoi Jane

ADC,
I think I know where Rowe is, correct me if I am wrong ,but isn't it between the Pecos and Santa Fe? I was actually hoping I would never hear from her ever again. Just her name being mentioned conjures up a nauseating feeling in my gut! (Not to mention anger and payback)
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Hondo · LCDR Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 423 Location: USA

shooter:

The next time you drive by "Lady Jane's" ranch, how about doubling up on the salute - one for yourself, and one for those of us who live too far away to do it ourselves.

300zxuser · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:46 pm Post subject:

Two salutes coming up! One from each hand. I think I will get my spouse to give her one also.
Hondo? Do you live near Hondo, NM? If so, I have some scuttlebutt for you down there.
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Hondo · LCDR Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 423 Location: USA

300zxuser (or Bob, if you prefer):

Thanks. Please use 1 hand for the salute and execute 2x if you're driving, though; I'd hate for you to have a traffic accident while doing something on my behalf!

If Hondo, NM, is where I remember it as being (on US 70 between Ruiodoso and Roswell, beside the river sharing the same name) - then no, I don't live there. I live several hundred miles away. Don't have my atlas available where I am at present, so I may be confused.

If it's where I remember, I've passed through a few times while traveling. The area is absolutely beautiful.

300zxuser · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:23 pm Post subject:

It is and was beautiful, although and incident occurred two months ago which will leave that town and others around it in turmoil for a while.
Peter Jennings has a ranch down there (In Hondo) and had a family of four as ranch hands. A father, son, stepdaughter, and new wife. Father was abusive both physically and emotionally. Father told his son he wasn't cleaning out the stables FAST enough and began to wail on the son again. After the kid finished with cowering on the ground in a fetal postion and the father left, the son went in the house, got a shotgun and blew the entire family away. He was 14. They arrested him and now the towns of Roswell and Ruidoso have banded together hired a powerful defense atty and are behind the kid.
I don't believe his actions warranted him blowing away his family, but I don't believe in beating up 14 year olds.
We'll see what happens when this goes to court. Roswell is a Redneck town and Ruidoso has pretty normal upstanding citizens in it. Living in NM for 50 yrs the only time I got in trouble was in Roswell, doing surveillance. I switched plates to conceal my identity and told the Roswell PD. They were o.k. with it. But when I left I forgot to change them back. I didn't get 2 miles out of town before A state Policeman pulled me over. After 4 hours he wanted to charge me with a felony. I had my original plate in the van, but he wouldn't buy it. Cost me 5K to get out of that one.
They acted like I murdered someone. Roswell, crazy place.
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MJB · LCDR Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 425

Curious....

I was just in New Mexico and heard about the killings on the ranch. I believe it was owned by Sam Donaldson, not Peter Jennings.

Other curious comments....

"No offense to those who were not, were subjected to it everyday, someone dropping napalm in the morning smelled GREAT to me. BUt it was no big deal."

"I agree with Pappy and Rdtf, what's the big friggin deal?
And yes, PTSD is real, every nigh when I go to sleep, I think about it, or at least my friends that were killed and the ones I killed. "

"Fragging her would have been to good a sentence. Live and learn."

"Living in NM for 50 yrs..." "between the Pecos and Santa Fe..." Do you mean the Pecos River, or Pecos, NM?

Your posts sure sound different than most of the veterans I've read on this forum over the last several weeks.

Why don't you tell us a little more about your background ("Around Jan20,6 I had 8 1/2 months in the bush")?

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300zxuser · Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 1:34 am Post subject: Marines

You are correct, it was Sam Donaldson not Peter Jennings. Too many celebs have property here, some of us know about, some don't.
Was in the Corps from 4 May 64 to 21 Mar 68. Served one year at Pendleton training with 1st Recon Bn.
Transferred after one year to Marine Barracks, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. Trained by Army CID at Schoefield barracks. (Like OSI, and the then NIS) Worked two years undercover, sniffing out drugs and contraband.
End of the tour I was given a choice of going east or west. I chose west. Landed in Da Nang on 4/19/67, sent to Camp Reasoner, home of 1st Recon Bn. Conducted 5-6 man, 10 day long range recon patrols.
Was wounded once in the face when my magazine blew up in my face after taking a bullet in the mag, during a firefight, med-e-vaced to Phu Bai. Two weeks later returned to duty and patrols. Two months later received superficial wounds from enemy (NVA) 81mm mortar rounds arms and left leg. Corpsman pulled out shrapnel and back to duty. Jan 20, 68 our point man tripped a bouncing betty, lost his leg from the knee on down, destroyed my ankle and med-e-vaced me from the bush.
THree and I was out. News to me. 2 over 48 and I was out. Wasn't a pogue, but wasn't stupid either. January 24th made a trip out of Da Nang and flew to hospital in Okinawa. Month later discharged. Everything else is details. (Killing, shootings, fraggings, village torching, ear collecting etc) It was not about politics, it was very personal. No combat vet will go into more detail than what I did. AND, I didn't say nothing. E-mail me off site if something else you need to know. 300zxuser@comcast.net. Since I'm 100%, I am home most of the day.Edited over the top remarks. Admin
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