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Great job guys!!!

"and they know that John Kerry was not the war hero we thought he was," said Douglas Brinkley, the historian and author of a friendly biography of Mr. Kerry's war years, acknowledging that Mr. Kerry's opponents had succeeded in raising questions about his service. "

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Ellis · Seaman Recruit Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Posts: 19

Here is a comment from that article that repeats a common error:

"Mr. Kerry's nemesis, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, is spending $1.3 million in five swing states with a spot accusing him of meeting with the enemy in Paris - a reference to his trip to the Paris peace talks, where he met with both sides."

The impression given is that Kerry met with our side and with their side. In fact, Kerry himself identified the "two sides" he met as North Vietnam and the Viet Cong.

llano · Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:46 pm Post subject:

Steve Z

OUCH!!! (for Kerry)

THIS has to get out to all the media, if Douglas Brinkley (Tour of Duty) says that "John Kerry was not the war hero we thought he was".

Does Brinkley elaborate on this, or is it a one-liner?
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GoEagles · Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:04 pm Post subject:

that's all he said, and he said it in the same sentence with a slam on Bush. Here's the full context -

jataylor11 · Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:07 pm Post subject:

Brinkley is just trying to salvage his career as a historian and cover his A**

Me#1You#10 · Site Admin Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 6503

Gentlemen and ladies...this, IMO, is HUGE!

noc · PO1 Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 492 Location: Dublin, CA

Oh, he was a war hero alright.

He was a war hero for BOTH SIDES the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong.

Brinkley knows that history will show that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were right and Kerry was a fraud and traitor to his country and fellow veterans.

coolhand · PO3 Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 255 Location: MA/RI

Not a bad article for the New York Times. It brings up the issue of whether this issue has reached a certain saturation point for the average voter. I know lots of people will not like this idea, but I'll throw it out there as food for thought.

These ads have had a huge impact because they tarnished the image of Kerry's service that the MSM and Dems pushed on the public. Now the people relaize it was not true. Even Brinkley concedes the point. In the next five weeks, similar ads may reinforce these perceptions, but they may not add anything new to the dialogue and thus may not generate as much impact or hype among the average voter, which makes me wonder if the Swiftees can hit Kerry form another angle. Some advocate another ad about certain incidents involving his Vietnam service, but is it possible that another tact could generate more impact. I know that the purpose of SBVT for truth is just that - to reveal the truth about Kerry's Vietnam experience, but surely the Swiftees also have the authority, as Vitenam Vets, to express concern about Kerry's Senate record as it relates to his ability to be Commander in Chief in a time of war.

I personally think that Bush and the RNC hasn't done enough to exploit Kerry's Senate record on defense issues. Zell Miller electrified the base and conservative Democrats with his spitball speech. If the Swiftees have the money, maybe a Zell Miller type ad lambasting Kerry for his abysmal record on defense spending could be produced that could really hit Kerry in the gut and put an issue on the table that has not received any attention since the convention - Kerry's senate record on miltary issues

A hard hitting ad about his Senate record on defense spending might make waves. Maybe even use Zell Miller's speech. It could be linked to Vietnam. Something like "Kerry's been undermining the U.S. military and endangering the lives of Amercian soldiers for over thirty years, do you really trust him now?" It could have more impact than another ad exclusively about Vietnam because it would link his servie and his senate record to the war on terror in a more contemporaneous way.

Just a thought

larrygj · Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:04 pm Post subject:

Now we know Kerry is in trouble when even his bootlicking biographer bails out on him. Who's next? Teraayyyza?

homesteader · PO3 Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 294 Location: wisconsin

This forum is awesome. Show prep for Rush.

W.P. Wily · Lt.Jg. Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 101

I had to laugh at this part:

Scott · Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:38 pm Post subject:

From a related thread in the Geedunk:

Son Of The Godfather · Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:10 pm Post subject:

"and they know that John Kerry was not the war hero we thought he was,"

--Brinkley

The impression of the general public?... I believe "we" is inclusive of the statement maker.

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Scott · Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:28 pm Post subject:

Exactly: "...[the public] know [from the Swiftvets' ads] that John Kerry was not the war hero [he and I] thought [and still think] he was..."
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