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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 1:55 am    Post subject: A Lesson in Narcississtic Rage Reply with quote

http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2004/09/lesson-in-narcississtic-rage.html

Dr. Sanity: A Lesson in Narcississtic Rage

Let me give a mini-lecture. Here are some characteristics of a Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

A pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and lack of empathy;
A narcissistic individual is grandiose in their sense of self-importance and exaggerates their achievements and talents. He expects to be recognized as superior without achieving any great accomplishments;
A narcissistic individual is preoccupied with fantasies of his brilliance as well as his unlimited success or power. He fantasizes about beauty or ideal love;
A narcissistic individual believes that he is "special" or "unique." He feels that he can only be understood by or should associate with other special or high status people;
A narcissistic individual requires excessive admiration and is on a constant search for
admiration;
A narcissistic individual has a sense of entitlement. He has unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment and expect others to automatically comply with his wishes;
A narcissistic individual takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends and uses others without regards to the feelings of others;
A narcissistic individual lacks empathy and does not identify with the feelings or needs of others; A narcissstic individual is envious of others and believes that others are envious of him;
A narcissistic individual shows arrogant or haughty behaviors or attitudes and does not care who he offends. (emphasis mine)

A narcissistic injury occurs when someone defeats or criticizes the narcissistic individual. The narcissist may not show it outwardly, but he is haunted by criticisms and defeats. When a narcissistic injury occurs, the narcissist begins to feel empty, degraded, and humiliated and he is capable of retaliating with narcissistic rage. His reactions constitute disdain or defiant attacks.

What we witnessed last night at midnight --if you bothered to stay up you heard it; if not, you heard it this morning on the news--was an outbreak of narcissistic rage from John Kerry who simply cannot believe that anyone could possibly question anything the candidate has said or done in the past. See Here and Here for details.

From the NY Times:

"For the past week, they attacked my patriotism and my fitness to serve as commander in chief,'' Mr. Kerry said. ``Well, here's my answer. I'm not going to have my commitment to defend this country questioned by those who refused to serve when they could have and by those who have misled the nation into Iraq.''

So there you have it. That's the best that Mr. Kerry can do. He has reached deep within his soul and...found it empty. In a time of world chaos, where there is a current war against an impacable enemy who doesn't care about the number of innocents they murder and who would destroy millions of Americans if they had the chance, John Kerry is obsessed with a war he was in 35 years ago. While the Republicans concentrated on an agenda of promoting freedom and liberty and NEVER ONCE CALLED INTO QUESTION MR. KERRY'S SERVICE IN VIETNAM (his behavior since then was, of course, fair game), Mr. Kerry called the President and Vice President "liars", and suggesting that they were only in it for their own personal gain; even condoning his supporters comparing Bush to Hitler and worse.

You see, Kerry's sense of entitlement knows no bounds. His unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment has been fully nurtured by a timid press, reluctant to question Kerry's fantasies of brilliance. Noone is permitted to question him or his achievements. But he seems to think that he can question their honor and motivations with impunity. In his arrogant and haughty behavior toward his fellow Vietnam veterans, he has demonstratedthat he could care less who he offends. He needs admiration so very much that he simply can't bear a few months where some of his less than admirable behavior over the last 30 years is examined (his frightening "sensitivity" on this issue makes you wonder how he would have fared over the last three years with the level of rage, hostility and denunciations which have been relentlessly directed at President Bush. One suspects he would have completely fallen to pieces the first time France didn't like what he did).

There is nothing more important to John Kerry than to make sure his image as an heroic Vietnam vet is protected.

And yes, there is nothing more important to John Kerry than...John Kerry.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh heh heh... at the start of the year, I posted something on another board about Kerry appearing to me to be, in the clinical sense, narcissistic.

They tried to laugh me off the board and called me an idiot and asked for my professional credentials.

But, it's so clear that thousands of other people see it, too, so if I was wrong, at least I'm in good company, eh? Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Navy_Navy_Navy wrote:
Heh heh heh... at the start of the year, I posted something on another board about Kerry appearing to me to be, in the clinical sense, narcissistic.

They tried to laugh me off the board and called me an idiot and asked for my professional credentials.

But, it's so clear that thousands of other people see it, too, so if I was wrong, at least I'm in good company, eh? Wink


Hell, I'm a physician, and it's pretty obvious to me.

The proprietor of that website "Dr. Sanity" is an actual psychiatrist, I believe.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey! that sounds like the same john Kerry I see and hear on tv!

the one who thinks he should be president!!!

I think the DNC should have made him come clean with his military records before they picked him...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stevie wrote:
Hey! that sounds like the same john Kerry I see and hear on tv!

the one who thinks he should be president!!!

I think the DNC should have made him come clean with his military records before they picked him...


Hmmm...could an astute navy doc have noted these narcissistic traits and documented the concerns in Kerry's medical records...those very records Kerry will not sign the Form 180 to release??
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a question that has occurred to me. The real reason Kerry will not release everything is that are negative performance evaluations and possibly negative medical/psychiatric evaluations in those records. We may never know.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have also been looking at Kerry with a diagnostician’s eye. I am a psychotherapist and have noticed Kerry’s red flags for several years. Too be honest, I seem to be able to see red flags in most politicians quite easily.

Remember that what you describe is a Personality Disorder. Personality Disorders almost always come in clusters, so If John Kerry is indeed Narcissistic he is also several other things. The most common disorders associated with Narcissism

1. Anti-Social;
2. Borderline;
3. Histrionic.

Look at all 14 personality disorders and see which fit Kerry the best and then you have the nomenclature of the cluster. Keep in mind, this is not science, however, all science begins with speculation . . . “What if. . . “

I slightly uncomfortable with such speculation.This kind of thinking can be dangerous and should be kept at the "What if" level.

However, I must admit that it is fascinating to track down the clues to Kerry's psychological profile. If others would like to play the game without bothering to get a PhD, may I suggest a book?

John M. Oldham, M.D. authored the section of the DSMIV on personality disorders. He developed a method for determining the "TYPE" of a person by matching personality disorder diagnostic scores to personality types inventory. The book contains a self-test so you can see what type you are.

New Personality Profile
John M Oldham, M.D.
ISBN 0-553-37393-5

I use it in my practice to weed out the simply neurotic from those I need to refer to a psychiatrist.

This book will give you all of the diagnostic criteria you need to play America’s Fastest Growing Quiz Game "What is John Kerry's DSM code?"

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aristotle:

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However, I must admit that it is fascinating to track down the clues to Kerry's psychological profile. If others would like to play the game without bothering to get a PhD, may I suggest a book?

John M. Oldham, M.D. authored the section of the DSMIV on personality disorders. He developed a method for determining the "TYPE" of a person by matching personality disorder diagnostic scores to personality types inventory. The book contains a self-test so you can see what type you are.

New Personality Profile
John M Oldham, M.D.
ISBN 0-553-37393-5

I use it in my practice to weed out the simply neurotic from those I need to refer to a psychiatrist.

This book will give you all of the diagnostic criteria you need to play America’s Fastest Growing Quiz Game "What is John Kerry's DSM code?"


Be a good chap and simply give us the number and description. Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I have no qualms making the diagnosis, because:

1. I'm retired;

2. It is as clear as his long face;

3. He is the most dangerous man we have ever had, in my 60 years of life, running for president.

And I agree he also evidences characteristics of all the other Cluster B Personality Disorders.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not being a professional in this area, may I have permission to just call him a "Nut Job" Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimRobson wrote:
Not being a professional in this area, may I have permission to just call him a "Nut Job" Laughing


Roger that.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

neverforget wrote:
301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I have no qualms making the diagnosis, because:

1. I'm retired;

2. It is as clear as his long face;

3. He is the most dangerous man we have ever had, in my 60 years of life, running for president.

And I agree he also evidences characteristics of all the other Cluster B Personality Disorders.


I'll take that as a "second opinion".

Question: Borderline Personality Disorder is mostly a feminine problem I think the DSMIV says 75/25% female. I detect some feminine characteristics in Kerry. I know they could be bio-genic, but what “nurture” factors could lead to Kerry being seen as effeminate? Or am I the only one who sees this?

We are all laid out on a spectrum of male female traits without reference to our genitalia. If Kerry is BPD, does that indicate a dominate feminine consciousness? Is it possible Kerry really is a girly-man and his Borderline behavior an indicator of it?

No, I am not being a smart a**. What is your opinion doctor? Now that you are retired, and safe, and all that.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimRobson wrote:
Not being a professional in this area, may I have permission to just call him a "Nut Job" Laughing


Can I ask for the same pass (as in I'm not a professional), and make an additional observation? It seems to me that he is also guilty of "projection," in other words, projecting his less than idealized behaviors onto others. For example, when he lies, he says everyone else is lying. When he conspires, he accuses everyone else of conspiracy. When he hides the truth, he accuses everyone else of doing it instead. Is this part of the illness, part of the spin, or something else entirely?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was married to a guy with this defect and yes, there is a cluster involved, including lying, and there is little reasoning one can do with them because the world spins around THEM and they can only see themselves. In the above diagnosis, don't leave out the juvenile emotional responses when they can't get their way - i.e., pouting; verbal tantrums -- which can become physical. I think if he was in a situation where more than one reporter was yelling questions at him about his stories and what the Swiftees are saying (like the reporters do to Bush when they get the chance) - that he might possibly lose his control and have an absolutely violent tantrum fit. He's unstable and dangerous -- and weak, very, very weak.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

happyday wrote:
JimRobson wrote:
Not being a professional in this area, may I have permission to just call him a "Nut Job" Laughing


Can I ask for the same pass (as in I'm not a professional), and make an additional observation? It seems to me that he is also guilty of "projection," in other words, projecting his less than idealized behaviors onto others. For example, when he lies, he says everyone else is lying. When he conspires, he accuses everyone else of conspiracy. When he hides the truth, he accuses everyone else of doing it instead. Is this part of the illness, part of the spin, or something else entirely?


I have a friend who once worked for the State Department during the cold war. When they couldn't figure out what the Russians were up to, they would read Pravda to find out what the Russians were accusing us of doing. Suddenly the Russian plan became obvious.

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