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Hammer2 · PO2 Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 387 Location: Texas

I have been finding too many links between John Kerry and his friends from his VVAW days for this to be a coincidence.

I would like to submit this hypothesis for everyone to research:

John Kerry never broke with the VVAW, he was part of their inner leadership circle and has maintained his close relationships with most of them ever since.
That he has either publicly or secretly enlisted the aid of his VVAW friends in all of his political campaigns.
That despite his protestations to the contrary, to this day he maintains the same anti-American beliefs he had then.
That the core leadership of the VVAW and Kerry have always been communists or communist supporters.
That he has placed many of his former VVAW friends in paying jobs in his campaign and would do the same if elected president.
That many of the veterans that speak in praise of Kerry, or corroborate his versions of events are either long time associates of Kerry's, his VVAW friends, are members of the organizations his friends control, were discovered & recruited by the same friends, or recieve or expect to recieve benefits in exchange for their support.

To this end, I am working to establish documented ties between Kerry and members of the VVAW from the time Kerry was active in the organization. I am trying to establish the links between these VVAW people, current organizations they head or are officials in, and the Democrats or the Kerry campaign. I am also tracing ties between various veterans speaking for or corroborating Kerry and the front groups run by Kerry's VVAW friends.

What I currently need is:

A list of all the known leaders of the VVAW from its founding in 1967 (on Ho Chi Minh's birthday no less!) through now.

A source for names of present and past campaign staffers of Kerry.

Names of any person quoted or mentioned in any news article either supportive of Kerry or critical of Bush that are associated with any organization supporting Kerry or Democrats. Links to the stories are best.

Any information about Kerry's "Band of Brothers' and his other veteran supporters and any organization they are members of, or are associated with.

Any information regarding ties between Kerry, His VVAW friends, Organizations they belong to and any activist organizations known to be communist front groups (ie: International ANSWER, United for Peace and Justice, CPUSA, SWP, SDS, Weathermen, National Lawyers Guild, Not in Our Name, etc).

I know it's a tall order but I think there is a lot here to discover and it is well worth the effort to do it
Anyone want to help?
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Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

You've already started with this topic, right?
VVAW hands torch to IVAW:
http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10587

Beatrice1000 has done a lot of research and is correlating past action and connections to current ones.
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Tom Poole · Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:51 pm Post subject:

Feel free to delete this if you already know about it. I've not read it, merely scanned it. It has names. I wonder if "Joanne" still feels the same.
http://san.beck.org/index.html
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Hammer2 · PO2 Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 387 Location: Texas

N3, thanks!
I had seen that thread before, but I am glad you reminded me. I have suggested to Beatrice1000 that we work together.

Hammer2
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"An armed society is a polite society" - Thomas Jefferson
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BC · PO3 Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 288 Location: Oklahoma City

Here is a list of names I have been keeping in my notes, they are not in any way a complete list, just names I have gathered reading through the FBI files. I was kind of think along the same line as you when I started taking notes. Smile

Names from VVAW book in FBI file (section 02 January - April 1971)

Timothy C Butz
Al Hubbard
William F Crandell - Vice President
Arthur L Flesch
Craig Scotty Moore
Michael Oliver

Joe Urgo - New York - secretary - FBI file list PR chairman Nov 17, 1970 (file sec 02 jan/april 1971 pg 2 Cool

Don Smartt - New Jersey
Ken Cambell - Pennsylvania
Mike Phelan - Wash DC
David stark - Texas
John Floyd - Texas
John Lytle - Kansas
Mike McCusker - Oregon
Don Treece - Washington state
Pat Ostrenga - Wisconsin
Bob Spayde - California
Ken Cloke - California
Bill Hatton - Minnesota
James Hale - Florida
Larry Rittman - New Mexico

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Jay Crumb- National VVAW spokesman (listed as President in FBI file - Sec. 02 Jan/April 1971)
Carolyn Mugar - Trustee-Secretary
Craig s. Moore Vice President of VVAW
Bart Savage - VVAW spokesman
Rich Bangert - VVAW national coordinators
Ron Kovic - AVM (FBI doc. Day former member of VVAW)
Bill Hager - AVM (FBI doc. Day former member of VVAW)
Alfredo Ca[r?]rerra - AVM (FBI doc. Day former member of VVAW)
Larry Rottimann -Anti-war poetry book
John Musgrave - national VVAW spokesman
John Payne -VVAW
Donald W Duncan (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 29)
Mark Lane (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 32)
Jane Fonda (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 32) listed as sponsor of winter soldiar
Art Flesch (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Dick Hostetter (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Dick Ward (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Dr. Pfeiffer (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Richard Falk (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Wilbur Forester (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
John Spellman (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Sid Peck (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Jon Floyed (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Howard Zinn (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Tim Butz (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Ken Cloke (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
John Geymann (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Dr. Glaciano (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Peter Borne (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Dr. Jon Bjornson (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Joe Grosso (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Jeff Dubrow (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Michael Mitchell (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 34)
Dr. david Galicia (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg34)

Paul Troop (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 49)
James Tucker (FBI file sec 02 jan/april 1972 pg 50)

Scott Camil (Florida chairman of VVAW) - conspiring to disrupt the RNC, NYT Aug 14, 1972
John W. Kniffin - conspiring to disrupt the RNC, NYT Aug 14, 1972
Willam? J Patterson - conspiring to disrupt the RNC, NYT Aug 14, 1972
Peter P Mahoney (member of VVAW national staff in New York) - conspiring to disrupt the RNC, NYT Aug 14, 1972
Alton C Foss - conspiring to disrupt the RNC, NYT Aug 14, 1972
Donald P Perdue - conspiring to disrupt the RNC, NYT Aug 14, 1972
Robert Wayne Beverly (Austin TX)
John Chambers (St. Petersburg)
Bruce Horton? (Gainesville)
Jack Jennings (Gainesville)

Mike Oliver - coordinator from San Francisco VVAW

Frank Hunte -VVAW
Anthony Ramos - VVAW? (now in project return) durg pusher in every barracks in Vietnam
The Daily World 08-03-72

Paul Withers **** page 98 newpaper clippings

Joe Bangert Philadelphia ******* page 102 newpaper clippings

John Froines - one of the Chicago seven ( see pages 118 and 119)
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Hammer2 · PO2 Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 387 Location: Texas

Wow!
Excellent everyone! Keep it coming! I will be very busy with just what you have sent so far.
Thanks!
Hammer2
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"The price of freedom is eternal vigilence" - Thomas Jefferson
"An armed society is a polite society" - Thomas Jefferson
"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it won't be needed until someone tries to take it away." -- Thomas Jefferson

Dimsdale · Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:20 pm Post subject:

What about Butler, who just released "Going upriver?"

http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10702
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Rdtf · CNO Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville

Devil_dog_for_truth · Seaman Recruit Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 33

Jan Crum - I think he now goes by the name of Jan Barry or Berry.

I saw something about his name change (legal or nom de plum?) on the vvaw-ai website.

I only mention this as he was on the vvaw executive committe and is mentioned frequently in the FBI files.

Does anyone know if Al Hubbard is still around? I haven't seen any recent info on him.

Also, does anyone know if any of the former vvaw leaders have had a change of heart? Maybe, someone could get one of them to flip and provide inside info on vvaw activities.

Rdtf · CNO Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville

didn't one just come out with a statement that he was coerced and made it all up? can't recall the name but this is recent. Remorse and concern for his reputation are his motivators, I bet. That's the guy to talk to.

Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

Steven Pitkin - he's one of our members and first posted about his experience right here, on this board. Smile

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BC · PO3 Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 288 Location: Oklahoma City

fb274 · Ensign Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 53

[quote="BC"]Here is a list of names I have been keeping in my notes, they are not in any way a complete list, just names I have gathered reading through the FBI files. I was kind of think along the same line as you when I started taking notes. :)

Check this site as well-----------
http://freekerrybook.org "The New Soldier"

Lots of names listed who testified before Congress in '71.

Good Luck!