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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 4:29 am    Post subject: Something Struck Me as Incriminating Reply with quote

In the debate between Kerry and O'Neill, toward the end, while they are arguing about the potential causualties of the US leaving, Kerry says the following:

... And I think when you balance that against the fact that the United States has now accounted for some 18,600 people through its own Phoenix program, which is a program of assassination ...

It struck me because of “The Phoenix Project.” assassination plot that he claims he wasn't part of .. but the naming of the plot would tend to incriminate Kerry based on what he said in the debate..

Am I nuts?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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naming of the plot

Per the FBI field reports it was Scott Camil that came up with the idea and called it a "'Phoenix type"' Operation....
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the timing of the Winter Soldier Investigation, the Dick Cavett debate and the VVAW meeting at which the assassinations were discussed?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kansas City meeting where this was discussed was Nov 12-14, 1971

winter Soldier was January 31 - February 2, 1971

cavett was
June 30, 1971
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's roughly what I thought - the Dick Cavett debate was after WSI.

Kerry had already begun to parrot wholesale the lies he heard and encouraged and coached at WSI at the time of the debates.

That would include the Phoenix mythology.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Navy_Navy_Navy wrote:
That's roughly what I thought - the Dick Cavett debate was after WSI.

Kerry had already begun to parrot wholesale the lies he heard and encouraged and coached at WSI at the time of the debates.

That would include the Phoenix mythology.


So he had already quit VVAW when he debated O'Neill?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, Cavett was in June - the Assassination meeting was in November.

He supposedly quit after that meeting, but continued to act as a spokesman and speaker/leader at VVAW events for at least 18 months after the Kansas City meeting.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Navy_Navy_Navy wrote:
No, Cavett was in June - the Assassination meeting was in November.

He supposedly quit after that meeting, but continued to act as a spokesman and speaker/leader at VVAW events for at least 18 months after the Kansas City meeting.


So before the KC meeting he was using the term phoneix project in association with assassination then co-incidentaly we are to believe the plot to assassinate senators is called phoneix project 4 months later, and we are to believe he quit the group but continued to act as a spokesman and leader for 18 months or more?

Has MSM even mentioned this issue?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am banging my head into the wall trying to get an understanding why this man isn't being publically disected.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott Camil was the proponent of the assassination plan - who knows who came up with the idea. I believe I read that it was Scott Camil, himself.

Maybe he collected suggestions?

Kerry argued vigorously against the plan - I always wondered if it was truly abhorrent to him or if it was because they knew that the leadership had been infiltrated by FBI.

In any case, he didn't report the plot to the authorities, that we know of.

Where did that, alone, leave him, from a legal standpoint? Very odd.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He seems to get one pass after another both legally and in the press. Back to the banging of the head into the wall.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So before the KC meeting he was using the term phoneix project in association with assassination
The Phoenix thing was a well known and controversial millitary Op...of the assination type. Not defending Kerry here, but, it probably
wouldnt be unusual to mention it.....?

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He supposedly quit after that meeting,
In the FBI reports, its clear he didnt say that he quit VVAW membership,
he stated he was quiting the executive committee, and yes that he would continue to to act as a spokesman.

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always wondered if it was truly abhorrent to him or if it was because they knew that the leadership had been infiltrated by FBI.
you may have hit on something there


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