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Meateater · Seaman Recruit Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 8

contributing to the loss of the Vietnam War by sapping the political will of America? If so, can you please draw a co-relation between similar media tactics that Kerry is re-utilizing that can contribute to the loss of the War on Terror? If this is too hot for you guys, then a Private Message sending me to the right place would be much appreciated. I get paid on the 15th and want to find the right courier for the message and support it. That way I can feel like I did everything in my power to stop Kerry and enlighten the American people. Thanks. Hope this is not an offensive topic. If this gets deleted, then I'll confine myself to 100% support of you guys without posting anything. Thanks for your courage on sharing the Truth from yesterday with America today.
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FUZZY · Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:11 pm Post subject:

Your question is rather convoluted in some respects.

In as much as you stated "contributing to the loss of the Vietnam War by sapping the political will of America" which he did not do I think it should have been asked in a different way.

He did associate with the enemy, he did attribute war crimes to soldiers who did not commit them creating more deaths of Vietnamese and American POWs and he did lie about his tenure for the few short months he was there and what he did in Viet Nam but he did not sap the will of America.

He used the media then for his anti war rhetoric and slander against the troops then. He is now using his psudo-hero service record on and in the media to further his political career.

I see no correlation between what he did then and what he is doing now except to say he was a coward then and still is. The traitor part of the present remains to be exposed.

He has no understanding of leadership nor does he have a record of same. Four or five men in a small boat which he turned away from the slightest sign of danger does not a leader or commander make

He is anti-war and will ask the other nations of the world before he would go to war and find his answers from them and not the American people. He therefore would lose not only the war on terror but all of our freedoms and life style we now know and love.

He remains a coward, liar and a traitor and anything you or anyone else can do to keep him out of office will meet with much approval of many of us here in the United States of America.

A.D. (FUZZY) Barron
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Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

We really don't know what the Swifts have up their sleeves.

We just hide in the corner and watch - so far, they have been the hardest blow to the Kerry Kampf. Their ads are body blows, and everyone knows it. Wink

Their plan has worked miracles - I'm just along for the ride.
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Meateater · Seaman Recruit Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 8

Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

If John Kerry's activities as leader of the VVAW aren't a prime example of helping to sap the will of the people and discourage their support of this war, then nothing is.

It was always one of the VVAW's primary missions, to undermine support of the war at home. There's some very good material about this in the Winter Soldier/VVAW forum.
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Stevie · Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:52 pm Post subject:

Tom Poole · Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:08 pm Post subject:

Hammer2 · PO2 Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 387 Location: Texas

There is a wealth of info. on Kerry, his anti-war activities, and his activities in and continuing ties to the Vietnam Veterans against the War here:
http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=11
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neverforget · Vice Admiral Joined: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 875

Systematically undercutting the rationale for going to war most certainly contributes to sapping our country's will:

1971

U.S. soldiers persistently and pervasively committing atrocities and war crimes;

U.S. allies only puppets;

Supporting the enemy's "peace" conditions.

2004

Abu Ghraib indicative of widespread war crimes and goes to the top;

U.S. allies only a coalition of the bribed and coerced;

Iraq not a threat;

Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time;

We should have captured or killed bin Laden before doing anything else.
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mach9 · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 97

Let me add the overall heading and flip-flop extraordinaire for neverforget's excellent list:

"And the question, is it worth the cost, reminds me of my own thinking when I came back from fighting in that war, and it reminds me that it is vital for us not to confuse the war, ever, with the warriors. That happened before."

d19thdoc · Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:13 am Post subject:

The VVAW's mission, coordinated with the Vietnamese Communists, mimicking the agenda of the East Bloc intelligence agencies funded by Moscow, was to engage in psy-ops on behalf of the Vietnamese revolution against the interest of the USA. Kerry operated in their "American Theater" of operations on their behalf, and they won. There was no other way they could win, except to turn American public opinion against the war, the US Government, and the US military. The installation of the left-wing Congress in Washington in 1975 was the death knell for the South Vietnamese. It was the culmination of a ten year effort to achieve the goals of international communism in Southeast Asia. The consequence of that election was the defunding of our allies and their collapse when attacked by Soviet armed and funded North Vietnamese forces.

No, Kerry is not solely responsible for this, but it was his mission and he was a prime actor in that mission. Yes, he did board a train that had already left the station, and he used the radical left, just as they used him. But he was the one who mainstreamed the radical anti-war movement and gave it credibility beyond what it could have achieved on its own. Remember, the anti-war candidate lost to Noixon in 1972; but what happened in the next election?

To say that Kerry's actions had no impact on public opinion, and no impact on the outcome of the Vietnam War, is ludicrous. To say that is also to attest to the effectiveness of their propaganda to dupe otherwise intelligent poeple into not seeing what the hell they were doing.

He is now engaged in an identical appeal to the emotional revulsion people feel at the horrors of war to enflame the American people to abandon the war in Iraq.

His current track is every bit as detestable and treasonous as it was in 1970-75. He is now, as he was then, interested only in his own aggrandizement. The national security interests of this country be damned.
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