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Denis Seaman Recruit
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 1:01 am Post subject: Kerry, the Duelfer Report, and Unfit for Command |
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A memory jog:
A few months back, a preliminary report by the 911 Commission was big news, as it said the Commission had found no contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda. In the customary standard of accuracte reporting we’ve come to know, highlighted by Rathergate, the media leapt on that, and headline after headline proclaimed this as a definitive pronouncement. While the furor was in full roar, even the Chairman and Co-chairman, Republican and Democrat respectively, went on the 'Sunday Talk Shows' and said ‘No, there were contacts’.
However, even so, the media basically ignored the chairmen and ran with the staff report. Then a few weeks later, the actual final 911 Commission Report comes out, and details contacts between Al Qaeda and Iraq, including communications between the two about estabishing Al Qaeda operations in Iraq. That gets barely reported, and few actually read the report, so that, as of now, probably nine out of ten Americans think it has been established that there we no connections. When Cheney speaks of the contacts reported by the Commission, the media laughs that Cheney is just out of touch. Kerry reinforces that no-contact wrong idea repeatedly.
Something very much the same is now happening with the Duelfer Report on Iraqi WMDs. Headlines are screaming that no stockpiles of WMDs were found, and none existed. This is, of course, being presented as a kind of pro-Kerry pronouncement, because when Kerry voted for the war and insisted we have to do something about Iraq’s WMDs, he was nuancing or something, because....well, you know. He's Kerry.
What is being all but missed, except by a few astute observers who actually take the time to read the Duelfer Report, is what it does say, and when that is coupled with the Kerry position, it becomes more clear than ever that this man is unfit to be Commander in Chief.
The years of sanctions and early years of weapon’s inspections most certainly tooks its toll on the Iraqis’ WMDs. In the debate last night, Kerry insisted that Bush made a grievous mistake because we now know the sanctions worked! The nuclear program was left to decay, almost totally. At the time of the invasion, Iraq’s nuclear program was actually behind where it was before the First Gulf War. Again, seeming good news for Kerry, as he makes much of that. However, the report also concluded, including from discussions with Saddan himself, who verified this, Iraq had maintained the core ability to rapidly get both chemical and biological weapons programs going very fast, and at far less cost than a nuclear program. According to the report, Iraq could have been producing mustard gas in quantity in about three months, and biological weapons and nerve agents, in very lethal quantity, within one to two years. Both bio and chemical weapons are easier, faster, less costly and easier to hide, than nuclear weapons, and far easier to deliver on a target.
Saddam himself said he determined to do just that, and was only waiting to make that push forward when the sanctions ended. Think about that! I won’t get into the bribes paid by Iraq from the Oil for Food Program that went to French, Russian and UN interests, to try to get those sanctions removed, or the French promise to block US military action in the UN Security Council.
It has been Kerry’s insistence that we should have given the UN inspectors more time, sufficient time to determine whether Iraq had such weapons or not. Let’s then assume that Kerry was Commander in Chief, and had his way, and we did as he said he would have done. At some point, probably several months, those inspectors would have found what we have now found: no weapons stockpiles. Of course, unlike Duelfer and company, the inspectors would not have had the unfettered access to Iraqi documents and personnel, including Saddam himself. As this was progressing, France, Germany and Russia would have been working hard to have the sanctions removed, as they were already working to have them eased. If after six or eight months, Hans Blix reported no WMDs, the sanctions would have been removed.
Let us say that instead of the invasion beginning as it did in March 2002, Kerry as Commander in Chief gave them another eight months, after which the inspectors reported no WMDs. With France leading the way, the sanctions would have beenremoved shortly, say by Jan 2003.
With the sanctions removed, what Saddam himself says he was waiting for, plus lucrative oil contracts with France, Germany and Russia giving him cash in hand, Saddam would have kicked his desired weapons programs into gear.
Giving him almost two years, from January 2003 to October 2004, Iraq would have developed both chemical and biological weapons. The chemical mustard gas could have been made in quantity for over a year and a half.
Keep in mind that this would all be post 911. On that day, Al Qaeda demonstrated the willingness to kill thousands of Americans outright, even if that required multiple suicides. Afghanistan was closed to them, post fall of the Taliban, but with Hussein still in power, would Iraq have been? That was McCain’s point, and the 911 Commission confirmed that such was a valid concern.
From page 61 of the 911 Commission Report:
Quote: | Bin Ladin was also willing to explore possibilities for cooperation with Iraq, even though Iraq’s dictator, Saddam Hussein, had never had an Islamist agenda—save for his opportunistic pose as a defender of the faithful against “Crusaders” during the Gulf War of 1991. Moreover, Bin Ladin had in fact been sponsoring anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan, and sought to attract them into his Islamic army.53
To protect his own ties with Iraq,Turabi reportedly brokered an agreement that Bin Ladin would stop supporting activities against Saddam. Bin Ladin apparently honored this pledge, at least for a time, although he continued to aid a group of Islamist extremists operating in part of Iraq (Kurdistan) outside of Baghdad’s control. In the late 1990s, these extremist groups suffered major defeats by Kurdish forces. In 2001, with Bin Ladin’s help they re-formed into an organization called Ansar al Islam.There are indications that by then the Iraqi regime tolerated and may even have helped Ansar al Islam against the common Kurdish enemy.54
With the Sudanese regime acting as intermediary, Bin Ladin himself met with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in late 1994 or early 1995. Bin Ladin is said to have asked for space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but there is no evidence that Iraq responded to this request.55 As described below, the ensuing years saw additional efforts to
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In a post 911 world, what kind of captial had Al Qaeda acquired, that they did not have before in contacts with Husein's Iraq? Continuing with the 911 Commission, page 66, speaking of events in 1997 and proceeding from there:
Quote: | There is also evidence that around this time Bin Ladin sent out a number of feelers to the Iraqi regime, offering some cooperation. None are reported to have received a significant response. According to one report, Saddam Hussein’s efforts at this time to rebuild relations with the Saudis and other Middle Eastern regimes led him to stay clear of Bin Ladin.74
In mid-1998, the situation reversed; it was Iraq that reportedly took the initiative. In March 1998, after Bin Ladin’s public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence. In July, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with Bin Ladin. Sources reported that one, or perhaps both, of these meetings was apparently arranged through Bin Ladin’s Egyptian deputy, Zawahiri, who had ties of his own to the Iraqis. In 1998, Iraq was under intensifying U.S. pressure, which culminated in a series of large air attacks in December.75
Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and Bin Ladin or his aides may have occurred in 1999 during a period of some reported strains with the Taliban. [b]According to the reporting, Iraqi officials offered Bin Ladin a safe haven in Iraq. Bin Ladin declined, apparently judging that his circumstances in Afghanistan remained more favorable than the Iraqi alternative.
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The Iraqis offered Bin Ladin a safe haven after his Fatwa against the US. That is the principle of ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’. After 911, Al Qaeda showed it could be a valuable ally if one had reason or desire to attack the United States, and their obcession with the US made their efforts against other regimes, like Iraq's secular Baathists, less of a worry. Al Qaeda needed new friends. Saddam had previously tried, and failed, to have former President Bush assassinated. So with Afghanistan gone as a safe haven by the beginning of 2002, UN inspectors well into the process that would lead to then end of sanctions in Iraq, where could Al Qaeda have turned, and who would have accepted them? Perhaps Iran, except that Bin Ladin and the Al Qaeda leadership and most of its membership are Sunni, in the jihadist Wahabbi strain, whereas Iran is Shia. They do not get along all that well, as current events in Pakistan and in Hussein Iraq show. However, Hussein was also Sunni, as was almost all the Iraqi leadership. Then too, Ansar Al Islam, Zarqawi 'the Beheader's' group, was already operating in Iraq, with ties to Bin Ladin and Al Qaeda.
At the least, and certainly taking great consideration of not offending our ‘real’ allies, like the French, Commander in Chief Kerry would not have fought the removal of sanctions, once it was determined that Iraq had no weapons stockpiles. Wrong war, wrong time, wrong place. That would have happened at the same time that Al Qaeda would desperately need another safe haven and state sponsor. Iraq would have had or shortly had, at the least, mustard gas, and shortly thereafter biological weapons, according to the Duelfer Report. And Al Qaeda would have been burning with jihadist revenge for the removal of the Taliban,an embarrassing defeat for Islamic jihadism.
If Kerry had been Commander in Chief, and had done exactly as he tells us we should have done – where would we be right now?
Safer?
The Commander in Chief's responsibilty to protect and defend takes some vision of the dangerous possibilities facing us. Kerry says the world is not safer since we went to war to remove Hussein.
Is that really true? Or is Kerry, by virtue of his inability to recognize a growing threat, unfit for command?
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kate Admin
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 1:18 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Then a few weeks later, the actual final 911 Commission Report comes out, and details contacts between Al Qaeda and Iraq, including communications between the two about estabishing Al Qaeda operations in Iraq. That gets barely reported, | Great post!. I try to make that point to people whenever I can.
Another instance where the OIM fails miserably in reporting the truth.
Quote: | Kerry says the world is not safer | Do we think HE even read the final report
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Denis Seaman Recruit
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 48 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 1:41 am Post subject: |
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kate wrote: | Do we think HE even read the final report
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Nope Kate, not a chance. This is the Kerry who missed the great majority of all the Senate Intelligence Committe hearings, who told Larry King some months back that even though the White House offered him a briefing on a raised terror alert, he didn't accept, not having the time. This is the same Kerry who had the opportunity to meet with PM Alawi, to actually find out f another view of what is happening in Iraq is worth hearing, as opposed to the press reports. He made no such attempt, and merely attacked Alawi. In the debate last night, he repeated the Edwars claim about casualties, which simply overlooks that Alawi and countless Iraqis are our allies, and they have suffered several hundred casulaties fighting our common enemy. But then they are not French.
The most that was done with the Duelfer Report, as with the 911 Commission Report, is that Kerry staffers breezed through it for lines to cull, or simply got them from a friendly media also not known for digging deep, and ignored the fullness of what the reports reported. Too complex.
The amazing thing is this, and God bless the Swifties for pointing it out: the man has not changed from being that man whose life was formed in his early years, when he used others, ran from friends, turned on brothers and assisted enemies, would say and do anything to advance himself at the cost to any in his way, including his country.
I am amazed at how the personality detailed by the Swiftees and in'Unfit for Command' is exactly what we still see today.
When he told the Senat Foreign Relations Committee that the communists would not be brutal if we left and they won, and at most a few thousand of those Vietnames would be in danger and would need to be taken out for their own safety, but the people of South Vietnam found out otherwise, as between a half and one million were sent to reedducation camps, some for decades and some to death, and a million and a half others became the Boat People.
If I were a freedom desiring Iraqi, and knew the history of this man's complete disregard for others, and knew what had happened to those people, I would tremble at the thought of him winning. He broadcasts it, never once being able to even recognize, with all his talk of doom, that while several hundred Iraqi military and police have been killed and are constantly targeted, the Iraqis are still lining up to enlist in droves.
But, they are not French.
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Tom Poole Vice Admiral
Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 914 Location: America
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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I guess the OIM missed this one too, until the proper spin could be developed.
wrote: | Little noticed in a CIA report are details about...networks across Iraq...increasingly trying to acquire and use toxic nerve gases, blister agents and germ weapons against U.S. and coalition forces...
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