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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:50 am    Post subject: Would there have been a September 11, 2001 if ... Reply with quote

On September 11, 2001, during the death and mourning in America, he used the attack as a medium for his plan for his future Presidential Campaign! While appearing on the Larry King Live show (09/11/2001), Senator Kerry suggested that TWA Flight 800 was brought down by a terrorist act. When I watched it, I thought that he just made a mistake about the flight number. But, NO, on September 24, 2001, in an interview on Hardball with Chris Matthews, Senator Kerry casually recited a number of terrorist attacks against the U.S.A., including the mention of TWA “Flight 800”. The significance to me would only become clear to me after seeing a C-Span2 broadcast replay, in September 2004, of the May 2004 book release of “Ron Brown’s Body: …”, written by Jack Cashill. After looking at the www.Cashill.com I found out about another book called “FIRST STRIKE - TWA FLIGHT 800 AND THE ATTACK ON AMERICA”, authored by Jack Cashill and James Sanders. On July 17, 1996, TWA Flight 800 crashed. The New York Times was one of the few media outlets to report the witness accounts before they were suppressed. Senator John Kerry kept quiet about it until September 11, 2001! That is NOT by chance.
I believe now that Senator Kerry not only later used these two comments to cause Al Gore and Hillary Clinton to withdraw their competition against him in the DNC primaries. I will even go as far as to say that when it looked like John Edwards was ahead, that he used this knowledge as leverage to gain the Clinton’s support. Al Gore and the Clinton’s could not afford any publicity this close to 9/11! Mainly because people would want to know the answer to, “Would there have been a September 11, 2001 if the current U.S. Home Security was put into action after July 17, 1996?”
He had enough clout in the Senate he could have exposed the suppression of the investigation! If not, he still could have gotten the media aroused. But Senator Kerry rarely says something that he has not planned to use in the future to his own political advantage (Not For The Country's)!

http://www.twa800.com/index.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I have a problem with part of that thesis and conclusion. If sKerry knew about it, then he's highly unlikely to have been the only one to know about it. I think for this conclusion to "work," it would have to depend upon sKerry being the only one to know.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This fits in perfectly with the lack of response to attacks by Clinton. He did not want a problem on his watch. (Or he was just to preoccipied)

Imagine if we had recognized we were under attack?
Yes maybe 9/11 would have been avoided. if he had gotten OBL when he had the chance instead of listening to Janet Reno, it would have been avoided. When is that going to be laid at his feet?

He had this country so blinded and living in la la land. How this country survived I don't know. He even lost the codes to the nuclear football, according to Lt. Col. Patterson, and disregarded their importance.

Before this is all over not only Kerry, but the MSM and the Clintonistas may come tumbling down. Hillary is next. Bring on those college pictures and the Black Panthers. CTW

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's not get too carried away with speculation on unprovable matters. Let's stick with known fact, at least for now, to sink Kerry.

After he's defeated on NOvember 2, we can enjoy time to speculate about whatever we wish. Until then, let's go after what we have proof for and what is known and provable. Only 21 days left, let's don't get sidetracked.

Moving to Geedunk due to speculative nature.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:25 am    Post subject: This Part Isn't Speculation! It Is In A Public Record Reply with quote

Dick Morris (credited with Bill Clinton's success in being elected
President) just made devastating remarks about Clinton
on Hannnity & Colmes!


It is in his new book about Bill (titled BECAUSE HE COULD)
He is very specific about info that was NOT acted upon and
gave Clinton's reasoning for not doing so.
If you put that info together with the following; Question Question Question

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This isn't speculation and I am still trying to get an answer!

[b]DAY OF INFAMY 2001
Official: Kerry failed to act on pre-9/11 tip


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37642

I am not trying to put words or theory where they do not exist.
I am saying this kind of information should not be IGNORED!
If it is...what makes us different than THEM??
Make it an inquisitive day.

If these people were willing to go on the record with this; WHY will
so called journalists not follow up

Somehow we have to make him answer this before the election.
All hands on deck!

Make it a great day.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:33 am    Post subject: TWA 800 Reply with quote

Kerry being on the Senate Intelligence Committee would have access to that type of info.

911 Commission Report makes this reference:

Under section titled:
“The Case of Aircraft as Weapons”
Paragraph #1671 /on page 344
Quote:
Yet these scenarios were slow to work their way into the thinking of aviation security experts. In 1996, as a result of the TWA Flight 800 crash, President Clinton created a commission under Vice President Al Gore to report on shortcomings in aviation security in the United States.The Gore Commission’s report, having thoroughly canvassed available expertise in and outside of government, did not mention suicide hijackings or the use of aircraft as weapons. It focused mainly on the danger of placing bombs onto aircraft—the approach of the Manila air plot. The Gore Commission did call attention, however, to lax screening of passengers and what they carried onto planes.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:18 pm    Post subject: For Those Who Do Not Open The Link Reply with quote

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I know many of you have read this. Many have not. It is important.
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DAY OF INFAMY 2001
Official: Kerry failed
to act on pre-9/11 tip
3rd agent to say he warned security lapses made Boston airport ripe for 'jihad' attack

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Posted: March 19, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Paul Sperry
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON – A third federal aviation-security agent, one still with the government, has stepped forward to say he also warned Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry about security lapses at Boston's Logan International Airport before the 9-11 hijackings there.

Earlier this week, two former FAA agents said the Democratic presidential hopeful failed to take effective action after they gave him a prophetic warning that his home airport was vulnerable to multiple hijackings.

Brian Sullivan, a retired special agent from the Boston area, advised Kerry in a May 7, 2001, letter (page 1, page 2) that Logan was ripe for a "jihad" suicide operation possibly involving "a coordinated attack." He cited serious breaches at Logan security checkpoints exposed by an undercover investigation he and another former agent helped a Boston TV news station conduct.

Sullivan says he had a copy of the undercover videotape hand-delivered to Kerry's office.

It turns out the person who delivered it was a senior FAA agent in Washington who's now with the Transportation Security Administration. The agent, Bogdan Dzakovic, headed covert testing of airport security across the country before TSA took over aviation security from FAA after 9-11.

In an exclusive interview, he says he gave the tape to Jamie Wise, a Kerry staffer at the time.

After the office visit, "I received no feedback from anyone there," Dzakovic told WorldNetDaily.

Kerry boasts in campaign ads he "sounded the alarm on terrorism years before 9-11."

But he waited three months to reply to Sullivan's letter. And his July 24, 2001, letter, a copy of which was obtained by WorldNetDaily, merely offers to pass Sullivan's warning on to the Transportation Department's inspector general – even though Sullivan had made it clear in his letter that going to his old agency was a dead end. He and other agents, including Dzakovic, had complained about security lapses for years and got nowhere.

"The DOT OIG has become an ineffective overseer of the FAA," Sullivan told Kerry.

He suggested Kerry show the tape to peers on committees with FAA oversight. He even volunteered to testify before them.

Yet the correspondence stopped there. Kerry never followed up with him.

"He just did the Washington shuffle," said Sullivan, who thinks Kerry had a chance to prevent the Boston hijackings.

Another former agent, Steve Elson, who set up the TV sting at Logan, tried to follow up with Kerry, but was told by Wise he wasn't a constituent. (Elson, formerly of the elite Red Team that did covert testing, was a Houston field agent at the time.)

He came unglued, warning the staffer that if Kerry didn't act soon he'd risk the lives of planeloads of his actual constituents.

"What would the senator say if a large plane filled with holiday travelers took off from Logan at Thanksgiving for somewhere in California and went – boom – spattering men, women, children and babies all over the landscape at a couple of hundred knots?" demanded Elson, an ex-Navy SEAL.

His warning now looks like prophecy: At least 82 Kerry constituents were murdered aboard American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175.

Elson says he also dealt with Gregg Rothschild, Kerry's legislative director at the time. Attempts to reach him were unsuccessful.

Dzakovic laments the lack of attention to their warnings.

"We could have fed fish at the aquarium and accomplished just as much," he said.

Sullivan is perhaps the most frustrated. His two-page warning to Kerry four months before the Logan hijackings was eerily prescient.

"With the concept of jihad, do you think it would be difficult for a determined terrorist to get on a plane and destroy himself and all other passengers?" he wrote. "Think what the result would be of a coordinated attack which took down several domestic flights on the same day. With our current screening, this is more than possible. It is almost likely."

The toll from such an attack would be economic, as well as human, he predicted with chilling accuracy.

And the Logan security failures he highlighted in the letter included breaches at the very checkpoints the hijackers would later exploit.

The undercover investigation by Fox affiliate WFXT in Boston showed crews penetrating security checkpoints at Logan with knives and other weapons in nine of 10 tries.

Elson says the crew, led by reporter Deborah Sherman, walked through with Leatherman tools concealed in fanny packs. The Leatherman is a fancy utility knife. The 9-11 hijackers used utility knives. Sherman says she also had no luck getting Kerry to act on the video he apparently saw.

"It was always being 'reviewed' every time I called," she said. "There was no comment or action taken on the senator's part other than passing the tape along to someone else."

Sullivan – a registered independent who's also critical of Bush's handling of aviation security, both before and since 9-11 – thinks Kerry could have saved the Twin Towers, which were toppled by the Boston jetliners, and thousands of lives.

"John Kerry should have – and could have – prevented 9-11," he said.

How? "He could have taken direct action to address the concerns we had identified by visiting Logan and the MassPort authorities at Logan or the Massachusetts State Police," he said.

If that didn't work to bring about corrective action, he could have applied political pressure by having Sullivan and other agents testify before Congress, he says.

"Enhanced security would have prevented the hijackings, virtually without question," Elson agreed. If nothing else, it might have discouraged ringleader Mohamed Atta, who monitored security procedures at Logan weeks before the hijackings.

Phone calls to Kerry's campaign were not returned.

Right after 9-11, he told the Boston Globe that he'd triggered an undercover probe of Logan security by the General Accounting Office in June 2001, based on the TV report.

Only, he wrote Sullivan no such thing in his July letter, stating only that he passed his warning and the tape on to Transportation, not GAO.

And GAO, the investigative arm of Congress, did not test security at Logan. (Kerry confessed he didn't know the outcome of the probe he says he initiated.)

GAO spokesman Jeff Nelligan says there is no evidence Kerry requested anything specific with regard to Logan, although he says GAO had communications with "a number of interested members and staff, including Sen. John Kerry's office" about airport screener testing work in 2001.

He would not elaborate.

Sullivan and Elson, joined by aviation-security experts David Forbes and Andrew Thomas, want to see Kerry called before the 9-11 Commission, as well as President Bush, to answer questions about what he knew about Logan's lapses, and specifically what he did about them, before that fateful day. They also recommend GAO and Transportation officials testify to sort out discrepancies in Kerry's story.

Calls to the panel were not immediately returned.

"We don't have to wait for a tragedy to occur to act," Sullivan urged Kerry in his letter.
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Paul Sperry is Washington bureau chief for WorldNetDaily and author of "Crude Politics."

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