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[CandiM]

OK, I never claimed to be a financial genius, but I'm not a fiscal moron, either--But here's something I just don't get--

Is there any rationale, even one that's full of holes, behind sKerry's tax plan?--

It seems to me that no president "creates" jobs--The closest a president comes to "creating" jobs, as far as I can see, is to fill the positions he has on his White House staff, right?--So that phraseology is just flawed to begin with--All the government can do is to foster an economic environment in which the private sector will expand resulting in more jobs to be filled.......right?--

So, if I'm not completely off the reservation so far on this thing, how on Earth would increasing taxes on the very people and corporations who are most likely to either create new jobs themselves or invest in businesses which will then grow and create new jobs benefit anyone at all?--

Am I missing something here, or is this all just simple, unadorned class warfare at its slimiest?--C
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[lrb111]

well, ma'am, looks to me like you have it exactly right..
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said Democratic Chairman Terry McAuliffe. "It is inexcusable to mock service and sacrifice."
well, when even the DNC can see it,,,,, then kerry is toast.

[Cazador]

Hello CandiM,

You're on the right track.

One point though. Ask yourself if a corporation really "pays" taxes? The cost of the tax is built into the product. We "pay" everytime we buy a product or service.

Also, the hysteria of the deficit is a farce. Robert Rueben's policies during the Clinton Adminstration did more to cause the 3rd quarter 2000 recession by his paying down the federal debt.

For an intersting viewpoint on this subject -- assuming you have a nose for this subject -- is a short article on, "Debtor Nation, Without the Rhetoric".

http://mosler.org/docs/docs/debtor_nation_without_the_rhetoric.htm

It's an eye opener.

Keep on asking questions -- they are always more important than the answers.

Cazador

[jimlarsen]

Keep in mind that John Kerry is by all appearances a communist. His actions with North Viet Nam and the Viet Cong, his lies about the war and those brave soldiers and sailors fighting it, his association with people who espouse criminal conduct, his interferance in Nicaragua, his ideas about North Koria and the war in Iraq, and his current fixation on globalism, all say very strongly that this man is a communist. And, it's pretty easy to see that his goal is the spread of communism, and that his fiscal plan for the U.S. has been crafted to cause fiscal instability.

This election isn't just a contest between polititions, but a referandum on all that we hold dear in America: constitutional law and the freedoms it gaurantees. It was no slip of the tongue when Kerry said the constitution should be interpreted according to the law. He really would make the constitution subservient to some other law, the law of Karl Marx or perhaps the law of Ho Chi Min. And, the easiest way to get Americans to accept changes that lead us toward communism is to cause financial panic.
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[CandiM]

[Cazador]

Hi CandiM,

Class envy is one answer you are looking for in how they sell it.

Remember that Libs try to make it seem like "it's not your fault" that you are poor. It's always someone else and therefore raising taxes on the rich will help us feed you and take care of you.

Indentured slaves through wealth redistribution.

It doesn't work but the Libs keep right on telling many what they want to hear.

Being poor is a mindset; Being broke is a temporary condition.

Also, the Libs love to hand out gifts in the form of welfare and entitlement programs because it makes THEM feel better. Never mind that the person on the other end is slowly losing his or her self-confidence to do it on their own.

They feel better giving the fish instead of teaching how to fish. After-all, if they learn how to fish, they do not need you anymore, do they? It is a very selfish trait.

[armybrat]

Candi,

Rob Peter to pay Paul and you can always count on Paul's support. Our gov't has goptten into the business of wealth redistrubtion.

I remember sitting through a macro economics course where a professor tried to explain how gtovernment spending increased economic growth. It was one of the most convoluted things I've ever seen. Basically, he said GDP was made up of consumer spending, investment, savings, and GOV't Spending. Then tried to say that a dollar taken in taxes and spent by the gov't generated more than a dollar in GDP by all of the "Jobs" gov't spending created. If your head is spinning so was mine

I had to ask a simple question to him, "Why is gov't spending different than investment or consumer spending?" After several minutes of twisitng around he said essentially "BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT CAN SPEND IT BETTER!"

The only Jobs created by gov't are IN gov't.
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[Anker-Klanker]

A good and relevant question to this discussion is: Why do the Liberals do this?

I think there are two easy answers to that one:
1) It buys votes for them
2) It does create lots of new jobs for liberal-thinking people; they're the ones who end up staffing those new social-services jobs (and I strongly suspect that with their mind-sets, they'd be otherwise unemployed in the private economy)

Needless to say, all the people who benefit from this flawed system will not listen to logic about why it is flawed.

[Bystander]

I really can't imagine Scary advocating communisn. I'm sure he realizes all his mansions, $$, SUV's his family drives, etc., would be taken away for redistribution to the 'have-nots', doesn't he? Oh, wait--silly me! The leaders manage to skim the thickest cream for themselves, right?
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[concernedgranny]

I know what you mean. My brother is the only one in our family who is voting for Kerry. We were a die-hard democratic family, but you are talking 30 or more years ago when it wasn't what it is today. Since then, I am a Independent and have voted for both sides, depending on who I believe is fit. I am an American first, not a Republican, or Democrat. Having said that, this same brother works for the state. He does his work for the most part, but does leave early when he wants and pretty much does whatever he wants and is not accountable to anyone. My youngest brother asked him if they were hiring, as he doesn't have a job. My working brother said, " Well if you vote for Kerry, I'm sure we'll have more jobs. Now, does that mean they will have more work, or just more jobs. If he can leave early and I know many more do the same thing,it sounds as though they have too many jobs now. I told him that too. So did my brother. We suggested he did his job and worked his hours and then complain about whether or not there is a job loss in Ohio.

Does anyone know what they talk about when they say Ohio has lost a lot of jobs, as they aren't around us and I don't know where they are talking about? Our "want ads" have been pretty full and not for low paying jobs. Usually you have to have a degree. So please, if anyone knows, please tell me where are these job losses.

[minnie presley]

that is communism, kerry has the wealth, and we are the poor, that is how it works, kerry and his hanger ons live well as threzzzzzzzzzze said we are the common people

[fortdixlover]

[ocsparky101]

What Kerry is telling you is that he is going to tax the small businesses. Kerry's largest contributors are Unions. If you tax the hell out of small businesses then you weaken the non union companies. That leaves the door open for John Kerry to give tax breaks to companies that do not ship jobs overseas. Large Union Companies. He will break small businesses and give their money to subsidize large union companies who have been causing the jobs to go overseas.

[wally626]

[CandiM]