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FreeFall
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msindependent
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| I remember seeing a video clip on Fox of one of the trailors (months ago). It looked nothing like these pictures. Sorry I don't have a link or anything. |
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JimRobson
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I buy the Hydrogen/Helium theory.
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Tilly
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Jim ... what kind of disinfectant do you use to clean the surfaces after making Helium and Hydrogen?
Also, is it common and safe to manufacture Helium and Hydrogen in a mobile trailer .... ?
Although ... I think everyone can agree that Saddam and his regeime were not logical ... |
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RogerRabbit
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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That article is 8 days old - this was on the news last week
| Quote: | Posted: October 6, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern |
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Rdtf
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Bio Weapons lab found in Iraq? |
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| FreeFall wrote: | http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40777
This article has pictures. |
Freefall - are you on Laurie Mylroie's email list? I know you read her books and articles. I am, I received this one from her today -
From her email:
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Richard Spertzel, a former member of UNSCOM and a member of the Iraq Survey
Group, writes in today's WSJ, "It is asserted that Iraq was not supporting
terrorists. Really? Documentation indicates that Iraq was training
non-Iraqis at Salman Pak in terrorist techniques, including assassination
and suicide bombing. In addition to Iraqis, trainees included Palestinians,
Yemenis, Saudis, Lebanese, Egyptians and Sudanese."
Where are the President and the National Security Council on this? Iraq
and the legitimacy of this war is, arguably, the key issue of the
presidential race.
Why don't they say the ISG found documents that show Iraq was training
terrorists? The same thing happened with Iraqi documents recently detailed
by Scott Wheeler for Cybercast News Service. Without the backing of the
administration, the information falls into a black hole and disappears.
That is so, even as this issue is relevant to understanding the ongoing war
in Iraq. Who is the enemy? Do the foreign terrorists operate independently
of the Baathists; in conjunction with them; or somewhere in between? We
can't fight this war properly, unless we have the best possible answers to
those questions, while the result of not having those answers is unnecessary
casualties, both American and Iraqi.
The Wall Street Journal
Have War Critics Even Read the Duelfer Report?
By RICHARD SPERTZEL
October 14, 2004
After the release of the Iraq Survey Group's Duelfer report, the headlines
blazed "No WMD Found." Most stories continued by saying that Iraq did not
constitute an imminent threat to the U.S. and thus the U.S. was wrong to
eliminate that threat. This reflects the notion that Iraq was only a threat
if it had military munitions filled with WMD. The claim "Iraq was not an
imminent threat" was also expounded by pundits that seemingly crawled out of
the woodwork as well as those opposed to President Bush. But have these
individuals read carefully the report before engaging in such anti-Bush
rhetoric?
While no facilities were found producing chemical or biological agents on a
large scale, many clandestine laboratories operating under the Iraqi
Intelligence Services were found to be engaged in small-scale production of
chemical nerve agents, sulfur mustard, nitrogen mustard, ricin, aflatoxin,
and other unspecified biological agents. These laboratories were also
evaluating whether various poisons would change the texture, smell or
appearance of foodstuffs. These aspects of the ISG report have been ignored
by the pundits and press. Did these constitute an imminent threat? Perhaps
it depends how you define "threat."
The chemical section reports that the M16 Directorate "had a plan to produce
and weaponize nitrogen mustard in rifle grenades and a plan to bottle sarin
and sulfur mustard in perfume sprayers and medicine bottles which they would
ship to the United States and Europe." Are we to believe this plan existed
because they liked us? Or did they wish to do us harm? The major threat
posed by Iraq, in my opinion, was the support it gave to terrorists in
general, and its own terrorist activity.
The ISG was also told that "ricin was being developed into stable liquid to
deliver as an aerosol" in various munitions. Such development was not just
for assassination. If Iraq was successful in developing an aerosolizable
ricin, it made a significant step forward. The development had to be for
terrorist delivery. Even on a small scale this must be considered as a WMD.
Biological agents, delivered on a small scale (terrorist delivery) can maim
or kill a large number of people. The Iraqi Intelligence organizations had a
history of conducting tests on humans with chemical and biological
substances that went beyond assassination studies. While many of these were
in the 1970s and 1980s, multiple documents and testimony indicate that such
testing continued through the 1990s and into the next millennium, perhaps as
late as 2002. Do we wait until such weapons are used against our domestic
population before we act? Is that the way that some people wish to have the
U.S. protected from terrorist activity?
It is asserted that Iraq was not supporting terrorists. Really?
Documentation indicates that Iraq was training non-Iraqis at Salman Pak in
terrorist techniques, including assassination and suicide bombing. In
addition to Iraqis, trainees included Palestinians, Yemenis, Saudis,
Lebanese, Egyptians and Sudanese.
As for the U.N. inspection system preventing such R&D, why did Iraq not
declare these clandestine laboratories to Unscom and Unmovic and why did
these inspection agencies not discover these laboratories? Might it have
been that there were multiple informants working inside Unscom and Unmovic
that kept the Iraqi Intelligence Service informed as to what sites were to
be inspected? Information collected by ISG indicates that this was the case.
In late 2002 and early 2003, equipment and materials were removed from
several sites 24 hours before U.N. inspections. Such informants were said to
be active since 1993. Ergo, no surprise inspections.
Furthermore, sanctions were rapidly eroding. Unscom was aware of this
erosion but not to the degree that apparently developed post 1998. The
accounts of bribery of officials from several countries that were pushing
for lifting or weakening sanctions are legend and have been extensively
reported this past week. Inspections can not be effective without the full
support of the U.N. Security Council. Such full support did not exist from
late 1996 onward. Perhaps, now we know why. Iraq exploited the power of
wealth in the form of oil to buy influence in the Security Council and
within governments throughout the World. This has now been well documented.
Was Iraq an imminent threat? With the regime's intention and the activity of
its intelligence organizations, and with the proven futility of uncovering
its clandestine laboratory operations by the U.N. inspectors, it is hard to
draw any other conclusion. Regretfully, terrorism is the wave of the future.
The report by Charles Duelfer is unclassified and makes very interesting
reading for those who really want to know. For those with a closed mind, it
will be a waste of time.
Mr. Spertzel, head of the biological-weapons section of Unscom from 1994-99,
just returned from Iraq, where he has been a member of the Iraq Survey Group
(ISG). |
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FreeFall
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| Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I am. Did you see her stuff today, Thursday 10/14?
I didn't see this story last week. But I don't have cable or DirecTV/Dish either. |
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Rdtf
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Location: BUSHville
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| FreeFall wrote: | Yes, I am. Did you see her stuff today, Thursday 10/14?
I didn't see this story last week. But I don't have cable or DirecTV/Dish either. |
above is the complete email she sent out today. As far as this story - the mobil labs - first I have seen it since it first got attention a while back. Glad someone is re-reporting it to maybe give it some legs. |
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