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[razar]

In the book UFC,there was situation where some senior officers that do not support Kerry,but supported him in 96.In the book their explanation was they did not know about his phony awards and decorations.My question---they surely knew about his appearance befor Fullbrights committee,and his involvement with VVAW.This alone should have sent up the red flag on what a reprobate this "rambo" was.
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[openfish24]

They supported John Kerry because his lie filled book had been not written at that time.

Kerry was being accused of committing attrocities by his opponent in a campaign, so his fellow swifties came to his aid.

He returns the favor by saying in his book that these very men who came to his aid had committed attrocities.

Oh, and by the way I was a hero and these guys weren't.

And, Oh yeah, My commanding officer Hoffman ordered us to commit attrocities.

[LewWaters]

Razar, not every Vietnam veteran knew of or remembered Kerry's "testimony." I was in Germany at the time (Feb 1971 to March 1974), after my time in Vietnam. Many of those who once supported him did not know of his falsified reports and due to overseas assignments, may also have been unaware of his testimony. I knew of Hanoi Jane, obviously, but saw very little American news other than Watergate. We didn't even have AFNTV until towards the end of my time there in the area I was and AFN radio did not report any of it.

Regardless of why, since it's alright for Kerry to repeatedly change his mind, why is it such a big deal if these decorated veterans also change their minds? Ask yourself why does the left always want it both ways, excusing themselves for changing their minds, but demanding the right always maintain the same exact thought?

If these two men changing their minds, out of over 300, by the way, discredits the movement, why doesn't Kerry's constantly changing his mind also discredit him to them also?
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[Me#1You#10]

George Elliot's recent interview with Dean Esmay lays this particular canard to rest...

[razar]

OK,

Sounds like a fair enough reason to go to Kerrys aid.In my humble opinion,knowing about his VVAW association along with his testimony would be enough for me to let him rot at the hands of any news media.What do I know ,since I was just an enlisted man.I will pose another question later,as it seems the answers are more forthcoming here than on other forums.

--Observation--If he gets elected you better hope the Republicans keep a majority in congress,and that they have the b**** to block his socialist agenda.
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[BuffaloJack]

Razor, I was in Vietnam and serving on swifts and the CSCs but not at the same time as Kerry. It wasn't until this election that the association clicked. My first awareness was hearing that John Kerry served in CosDiv11 and CosDiv13. My first impression was "Cool, a presidential candidate was in CosDiv13, one of the units I served with." The first thing I did was to check dates and I saw that I was there 8 months after he left. OK, same unit anyway. Then when I checked further, I discovered that Kerry was associated with that ******* group of miscreants called the Viet Nam Veterans Against the War. I did know of them. As I checked further, and 33 year old memories came back, I started to realize that this guy was the turncoat we all talked about when I was in Viet Nam in 1970 and 1971. In 1971, I was enraged that someone from my unit could be with the VVAW while I was risking my life. In May of this year I had a face and name to put with my 33 year old memories, John Kerry. I may have known Kerry's name in 1971 as a turncoat. It was forgotten with so many other bad things after that. It's back now. He's the same turncoat and sleaze that called me and the others I served with, "Baby Killers and War Criminals." I hope bad things happen to him for the rest of his life. There is no excuse for turning on those you served with while they remained in harm's way. Because of his actions and deeds, he is hated more that the enemy we fought.

[Fort Campbell]

This is a touchy subject, I know. But I for one appreciate Razar asking the question. I think for those who denounce the Swiftees this point needs clarification. I am 54 years old and being female I never served in the military. However, I had several family members who served in both WWII and in Vietnam. In fact, three of my first cousins died In Country. I took particular notice of the war protest movement in this country in the late sixties and early seventies because of them. When the SwiftVets for Truth first became outspoken this summer I also wondered where they had all been for so many years and why they had not spoken out against Kerry in an effort to at least stop the voters of Mass. from continuing to send him to the Senate. I suppose now I understand a little better. I can only say that I wish Kerry had written his book many years ago if that was the impetus.

[jataylor11]

Ft. Campbell --

You are forgetting that Mass is the land of the liberals -- Teddy Kennedy and such. Kerry is a Kennedy protege. Why should none Mass residents involve themselves in the Mass senate race?

Like most Vietnam Vets, these gentlemen have put that chapter of their lives behind them. However, when Tour of Duty renewed the 1971 slander and lies told by John Kerry and then essentially claimed that Kerry was the only "war hero" of Vietnam thereby initiating NEW slanders and lies --- what choice did they have.

It wasn't until Tour of Duty that the lie that Kerry saved Rassman and the 3 boat while the other boats fled became public.

Renewed lied and NEW LIES required action --- especially when this traitor Kerry is trying to become CIC. My significant other is in the military, he was in Afghanistan last year, he will be headed to Iraq next year --- I DO NOT WANT HIM TO GO WITH KERRY as CIC (shudder).

[Fort Campbell]

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[coffee]

I think we're missing a major point here. In 1996 Kerry was being accused by a reporter from the Boston Globe of committing a war crime. By going to Boston Adm. Zumwalt, Capt. Lonsdale and Capt Elliott were only saying that Kerry did not commit a war crime. They did this to defend the honor of Navy and the Swifties, not necessarily John Kerry. They were not endorsing him in his bid for the Senate and it is certainly understandable that they don't support him now.

[rb325th]

Come on take it easy oon Massachusetts. We aren't all enamored with either Kennedy or Kerry. The powerhouse that Teddy was ruled Politics here in this State. He made his way on his Brothers name and the family money and connections.
Last time Kerry was up for re-election he almost lost. We aren't all blind cow towing liberals here.
A lot of the blame can also be laid on the other Party for not putting up a viable candidate. It is almost as though they write us off here.
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[sevry]