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WBrown Seaman Recruit
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 7 Location: Jacksonville, Fl
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:01 pm Post subject: Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge |
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Thought you'd all be interested in this article. Brings up more questions on Kerry's background.
Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.
The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.
According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.
A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.
The document is dated February 16, 1978. But Mr. Kerry's military commitment began with his six-year enlistment contract with the Navy on February 18, 1966. His commitment should have terminated in 1972. It is highly unlikely that either the man who at that time was a Vietnam Veterans Against the War leader, John Kerry, requested or the Navy accepted an additional six year reserve commitment. And the Claytor document indicates proceedings to reverse a less than honorable discharge that took place sometime prior to February 1978.
The most routine time for Mr. Kerry's discharge would have been at the end of his six-year obligation, in 1972. But how was it most likely to have come about?
NBC's release this March of some of the Nixon White House tapes about Mr. Kerry show a great deal of interest in Mr. Kerry by Nixon and his executive staff, including, perhaps most importantly, Nixon's special counsel, Charles Colson. In a meeting the day after Mr. Kerry's Senate testimony, April 23, 1971, Mr. Colson attacks Mr. Kerry as a "complete opportunist...We'll keep hitting him, Mr. President."
Mr. Colson was still on the case two months later, according to a memo he wrote on June 15,1971, that was brought to the surface by the Houston Chronicle. "Let's destroy this young demagogue before he becomes another Ralph Nader." Nixon had been a naval officer in World War II. Mr. Colson was a former Marine captain. Mr. Colson had been prodded to find "dirt" on Mr. Kerry, but reported that he couldn't find any.
The Nixon administration ran FBI surveillance on Mr. Kerry from September 1970 until August 1972. Finding grounds for an other than honorable discharge, however, for a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, given his numerous activities while still a reserve officer of the Navy, was easier than finding "dirt."
For example, while America was still at war, Mr. Kerry had met with the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong delegation to the Paris Peace talks in May 1970 and then held a demonstration in July 1971 in Washington to try to get Congress to accept the enemy's seven point peace proposal without a single change. Woodrow Wilson threw Eugene Debs, a former presidential candidate, in prison just for demonstrating for peace negotiations with Germany during World War I. No court overturned his imprisonment. He had to receive a pardon from President Harding.
Mr. Colson refused to answer any questions about his activities regarding Mr. Kerry during his time in the Nixon White House. The secretary of the Navy at the time during the Nixon presidency is the current chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Senator Warner. A spokesman for the senator, John Ullyot, said, "Senator Warner has no recollection that would either confirm or challenge any representation that Senator Kerry received a less than honorable discharge."
The "board of officers" review reported in the Claytor document is even more extraordinary because it came about "by direction of the President." No normal honorable discharge requires the direction of the president. The president at that time was James Carter. This adds another twist to the story of Mr. Kerry's hidden military records.
Mr. Carter's first act as president was a general amnesty for draft dodgers and other war protesters. Less than an hour after his inauguration on January 21, 1977, while still in the Capitol building, Mr. Carter signed Executive Order 4483 empowering it. By the time it became a directive from the Defense Department in March 1977 it had been expanded to include other offenders who may have had general, bad conduct, dishonorable discharges, and any other discharge or sentence with negative effect on military records. In those cases the directive outlined a procedure for appeal on a case by case basis before a board of officers. A satisfactory appeal would result in an improvement of discharge status or an honorable discharge.
Mr. Kerry has repeatedly refused to sign Standard Form 180, which would allow the release of all his military records. And some of his various spokesmen have claimed that all his records are already posted on his Web site. But the Washington Post already noted that the Naval Personnel Office admitted that they were still withholding about 100 pages of files.
If Mr. Kerry was the victim of a Nixon "enemies list" hit, one might have expected him to wear it like a badge of honor, like many others such as his friend Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers, CBS's Daniel Schorr, or the actor Paul Newman, who had made Mr. Colson's original list of 20 "enemies."
There are a number of categories of discharges besides honorable. There are general discharges, medical discharges, bad conduct discharges, as well as other than honorable and dishonorable discharges. There is one odd coincidence that gives some weight to the possibility that Mr. Kerry was dishonorably discharged. Mr. Kerry has claimed that he lost his medal certificates and that is why he asked that they be reissued. But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry's medals were reissued. |
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xsquid Lt.Jg.
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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I was just reading this on another site. Very interesting. _________________ 11 years US navy.
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ghiapaul Seaman Recruit
Joined: 09 Jul 2004 Posts: 30 Location: Niles, OH 44446
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:59 am Post subject: |
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I keep reading about this, but nothing sems to be being done to get to the bottom of it. If Kerry was initially given a dishonorable or bad conduct discharge, wouldn't this prevent him from being President? Also, even if it were later changed, wouldn't he have to go by the first one ? Makes you wonder _________________ Aviation Ordnanceman 2nd Class
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Richard Christiansen Ensign
Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 54 Location: Canon City, CO
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:13 am Post subject: |
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I've concluded many Kerry supporters wouldn't care if we found out now that he was formerly a bank robber. Emotion trumps reason for most Democrats. Clinton proved that. It would be nice to know more about his discharge though. Maybe something will break on this before the election. Lets hope. _________________ Big Red One & 25th, Lai Khe, Etc - 69-70 |
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CK_Phantom Seaman Recruit
Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Posts: 18 Location: Puyallup, WA
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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ghiapaul wrote: | I keep reading about this, but nothing sems to be being done to get to the bottom of it. If Kerry was initially given a dishonorable or bad conduct discharge, wouldn't this prevent him from being President? Also, even if it were later changed, wouldn't he have to go by the first one ? Makes you wonder |
Depends more on what it is for, than what it was and how it was characterized.
However, I don't think anyone has picked up on this yet, Discharge Certificates ARE Issued for every term of service, and Kerry's "Corrected" DD214 states that no certificate was issued. In fact, you get an Honorable Discharge when re-enlisting without ever leaving the service, and without even getting a DD214, which is now reserved for Release from Service.
Kerry's first listed DD214 is an older DD214 which was also used for Transfers back then, showed he RECEIVED a Discharge Certificate when graduating OCS and transferring to USNR, as is proper. (Notice the NO is X'ed out on the boiler plate type commonly used by schools which do a high volume of paperwork, that would have been left as is if he had washed out an gotten a OTH, BCD or DD.
As far as I know they give out certificates all the way down to General Discharge (Honorable, General under Honorable Conditions, General), to not have a certificate issued it would have to be General Discharge under Other Than Honorable Conditions, or a Dishonorable Discharge. There would be no other reason for stating that a Discharge Certificate was not received. (If anything, if it was mailed it would have said Mailed.)
Now, if it were a discharge for his treasonous activities having to do with the VVFW and trips to France, it would be evidence of disqualification, no matter if the characterization has been upgraded.
If it were a discharge for simply his failure to show up, or other performance based issues then no, it probably would not, unless it was for desertion.
Actually, it is such a damaging issue to the Constitution, if there is evidence to support John F. Kerry's disqualification among the missing Navy files, and no sailor at records does the right thing to make sure that Kerry isn't elected in violation of the Constitution, then all of them will have failed to uphold their oath to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.... _________________ ----------
Phantom
US Army "Cold War" Veteran
Born in the USofA on the 4th of July.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 |
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Spiess Lieutenant
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 246
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:39 pm Post subject: Here is what I did |
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Ok so I did some research, here is a link on this, its from another Blog I have sent info to Rush, Brit Hume, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Tim Russert,
Here is the link
http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2004/10/was_kerrys_orig.html
I urge any one and every one to put pressure on the News organisations. |
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