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Mary Ann Parker · LCDR Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 406

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Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Sunday, Oct. 24, 2004 3:00 a.m. EDT

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Kerry Covered up Second Meeting with Vietcong Negotiators
John Kerry met twice with representatives of the North Vietnamese government during the Vietnam war, in separate visits to Paris over the span of more than a year - and planned a third meeting before he left the leadership of the anti-American protest group Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

The unauthorized sit downs between Kerry and the enemy delegation, as detailed in this week's Weekly Standard, took place at the Paris peace talks in 1970 and '71 - and fly in the face of claims by the Kerry campaign that there was only one such meeting.

Noting that both the Washington Post and the New York Times had to retract recent reports attacking the Swiftboat Veterans and POWs for Truth for running an ad claiming that Kerry "secretly met with the enemy," the Standard explained that the confusions stems from attempts by the Kerry campaign to cover-up the earlier meeting.
"Kerry did go to Paris to meet the Communists in 1971, some time during the summer, probably in August. But this was a second trip, and Kerry's advocates have done their best to veil the fact that there was more than one trip."
The Standard added that Kerry's first meeting with North Vietnamese negotiators "took place in or around May 1970, eleven months before his Foreign Relations Committee testimony" where he trashed soldiers in Vietnam as "war criminals" and "monsters."
That first meeting "appears to have been kept secret for nearly a year," the Standard said, until Kerry mentioned it during his Senate testimony - which would validate Swiftvets' claims.
The Times' misreport centered on the claim that Kerry had met with "both sides" during the Paris talks. But like the single meeting report, this is also untrue.
"In 1971 when Kerry described his first Paris meeting, he said he had talked to 'both delegations.'" But the future presidential candidate wasn't referring to the U.S. and North Vietnam, but instead to both Communist delegations.
Correcting its error the next week, the Times reported that it had "misidentified the parties with whom Mr. Kerry said he had met at the Paris peace talks. . . . The parties were the two Communist delegations - North Vietnam and the Viet Cong's Provisional Revolutionary Government."
The Standard notes that Kerry actually planned to meet a third time with enemy negotiators, but the trip never came off.
"FBI files reveal that Kerry planned a third such trip together with [VVAW leader Al] Hubbard for November [1971]. But, as it turned out, Hubbard went without Kerry, perhaps because the two had by then fallen out over revelations that Hubbard's repeated claims to have been an officer and a Vietnam vet were fabricated."

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Anker-Klanker · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:49 pm Post subject:

No need for cheering on this item. I've not seen the WaPo retraction, but it was probably like the NYTs, and you'd hardly know it was a retraction.

Scott · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:50 pm Post subject:

Moving to Swift Vets and POWs forum.
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1991932 · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:30 pm Post subject:

" I actually didn't meet with them before I did meet with them."

Seems clear to me.
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Mooncusser · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:34 pm Post subject:

You reversed it.

Should be:

" Laughing

I actually did meet with them before I didn't meet with them."
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kerrlied · Ensign Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 50 Location: Seattle

Should we all not be calling all our local media to cover the story!
Also be calling the people Advertising to sponser the news Telling them we want the TRUTH TOLD to the American Public Stop their suport of the lies the Lies.

1991932 · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:20 pm Post subject:

Stevie · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:38 pm Post subject:

is this the breaking story??? the oct. surprise?
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Anker-Klanker · Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:08 am Post subject:

cipher · Vice Admiral Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 902

Is it possible someone at WaPo accidently read UFC? I mean, it *could* happen, right? They may have mistaken it for a best-seller and just picked it up, unaware of what it was.
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Mooncusser · Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:21 am Post subject:

1991932

Yes I am rooting for the Cards, but I do admit that The sox are a good team...and honorable, too.

I won't let Ho Chi Kerry spoil my view of Massachusetts or the people there.
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I actually won the election before I lost it.

"It is a good day to fight! It is a good day to die! Strong hearts, brave hearts to the front! Weak hearts and cowards to the rear!" (Crazy Horse)

mach9 · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 97

Unfortunately, a major piece of this whole story is the noninference of the retractions. Neither Post nor Times extended the logic of their corrections. In other words, they posted retractions that should have been devastating but which managed to remain as invisible as most retractions. No wonder they rank so high among liberal print media.

It's absolutely amazing that with SO MUCH to question there are so few questions. (Heart skipped today when I saw Bob Woodward's 22 Questions for Kerry in the Post's bold print this morning. NOT ONE on Kerry's Vietnam "service" or postwar activities!!!!!) Are we living in parallel worlds?

one more captins mast · LCDR Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 438 Location: Texas

Kerry, WILL LOSE. and as in ALL of History , History will be written by

those who win.

The lie of the "first tour" (sea duty), the 4 month 21 day (21 days of

awards and citations), the hard work back in the states making we

other vets like (Terrance C. Graves who jumped out of the rescue helo

to sure death to be wiht his men, (a somewhat different Lt.) into monstors

later to be "played on movie screens by monstors".

The tratior work of "last tratitor in Paris honey moons" the " I knew of the

vote to kill congressmen BUT I DID NOT VOTE MYSELF THAT DAY.

The on going 20 year "lie life" trying to be David Ives Mixter, a REAL

hero,

1. the christmas in cambodia

2. the "gun running" in cambodia

3. the CIA man the "magic hat", the navy Seals, ect.

4. The flying dog VC , who landed after the "mine close in,

and "these last days of the election cycle" thank God he says, old

VC landed unharmed on the swiftboat following.

5. and last , worst, the "special recon dog tags" with the little rubber

edges, so he could "clandistine around in cambodia" and then give the

other of the set,(the other lie) to his daughter for a ?good luck charm.

Yes History will be written , and those who spelled it wrong the first time

they will have a special place in the back of the "History room" on the

very special "dunce stool" we are building for them.
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