SwiftVets.com

[tonkingulfyachtclub68_69]

If you recall the media tried to give FL to Gore in 2000

VNS was a private consortium owned by
ABC News, The Associated Press, CBS News, CNN, Fox News, and NBC.

http://www.ecotalk.org/VNS.htm

4 of the 5 of the networks and cable newsrooms
(only ABC waited till both time zones closed)
"announced" Gore had won
BEFORE the 2nd time zone in FL had closed.
This cost President Bush votes in the FL panhandle.

I was at a friends house and the State of FL election website results showed President Bush was winning

In fact, the networks which called Florida for Gore did so early in the evening—before polls had even closed in the Florida panhandle, which is part of the Central Time Zone. NBC called Florida for Gore at 7:49:40 p.m., Eastern Time. This was 10 minutes before polls closed in the Florida panhandle. Thirty seconds later, CBS called Florida for Gore. And at 7:52 p.m., Fox called Florida for Gore. Moore never lets the audience know that Fox was among the networks which made the error of calling Florida for Gore prematurely. Then at 8:02 p.m., ABC called Florida for Gore. Only ABC had waited until the Florida polls were closed.
About an hour before the polls closed in panhandle Florida,
the networks called the U.S. Senate race in favor of the Democratic candidate.

The premature calls may have cost Bush thousands of votes from the conservative panhandle, as discouraged last-minute voters heard that their state had already been decided;
some last-minute voters on their way to the polling place turned around and went home. Other voters who were waiting in line left the polling place. In Florida, as elsewhere, voters who have arrived at the polling place before closing time often end up voting after closing time, because of long lines. The conventional wisdom of politics is that supporters of the losing candidate are most likely to give up on voting when they hear that their side has already lost. Thus, on election night 1980, when incumbent President Jimmy Carter gave a concession speech while polls were still open on the west coast, the early concession was blamed for costing the Democrats several Congressional seats in the West, such as that of 20-year incumbent James Corman. The fact that all the networks had declared Reagan a landslide winner while west coast voting was still in progress was also blamed for Democratic losses in the West; Congress even held hearings about prohibiting the disclosure of exit polls before voting had ended in the any of the 48 contiguous states.

Even if the premature television calls affected all potential voters equally, the effect was to reduce Republican votes significantly, because the Florida panhandle is a Republican stronghold. Most of Central Time Zone Florida is in the 1st Congressional District, which is known as the "Redneck Riviera." In that district, Bob Dole beat Bill Clinton by 69,000 votes in 1996, even though Clinton won the state by 300,000 votes.

So depress overall turnout in the panhandle,
and you will necessarily depress more Republican than Democratic votes.

A 2001 study by John Lott suggested that the early calls cost Bush at least 7,500 votes,
and perhaps many more.

At 10:00 p.m., which network took the lead in retracting the premature Florida win for Gore?
The first retracting network was CBS, not Fox.

Over four hours later, at 2:16 a.m., Fox projected Bush as the Florida winner,
as did all the other networks by 2:20 a.m.

At 3:59 a.m., CBS took the lead in retracting the Florida call for Bush. All the other networks, including Fox, followed the CBS lead within eight minutes. That the networks arrived at similar conclusions within a short period of time is not surprising, since they were all using the same data from the Voter News Service. (Linda Mason, Kathleen Francovic & Kathleen Hall Jamieson, “CBS News Coverage of Election Night 2000: Investigation, Analysis, Recommendations” (CBS News, Jan. 2001), pp. 12-25.)

The big 5 media TV and Cable newsrooms are the real threat to the 2004 election.

..."Early on Tuesday, November 7th 2000, TV stations and various media based in Florida reported that Gore has won Florida which was a big surprise for everyone because of strong republican support. Bush's brother Jeb is governor there and Florida usually gives support to the Republicans. Some of them questioned that and during the night CNN showed 52% Bush's lead over 46% for Gore. It is almost impossible to believe that media could have been that blind and biased to report Gore's victory."...

http://www.freeserbia.net/Editorial/Gore.html
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There is a backup site
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http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

[Tobette]

Thanks for the reminder. Hopefully, voters in Florida have wised-up to this blatant obstruction of the process. Big-Time subliminal voter intimidation. Don't think they won't repeat the attempt.

[I B Squidly]

Kerry's said he won't follow Gore's concession example. Rather, I'ld hope he'ld follow Carter's. That is conceding two hours before the polls closed on the west coast....He went home in a snit.

[jack white]

Here's really what to watch. The networks quickly will call Northeastern states that go for Kerry, and very slowly call Southeastern states that go for Bush. Also, even if they can project Bush the winner of Ohio and/or Florida, they will not do so until the Mountain Time Zone states close in hopes of picking one up like New Mexico for Kerry.

These SOBs have done this for years, but only got caught in 2000.

Also, watch the polling. A good example is Newsweek. Last week it showed a narrow Bush lead. In the next few days, it will show a narrow Kerry lead and announce he is surging to victory. This has been done by that magazine, and many others, for years as well.

Finally, continue to work hard to make sure they can't get it close enough to steal. Any of us who has followed Mr. Kerry knows he will do so if able.

[Me#1You#10]

Moving to Geedunk shortly

Please reserve the main forum for topics directly relating to SVPT issues.

Thanks

[breezy]

[noc]

Yes, Newsweek is playing with the polls again, just as they did following Labor day and trying to create Kerry momentum. Cool thing though is now many people read the internals and becomes more difficult to spin it. They won't get away with it this week.